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PostSubject: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 1:10 am

I have been seeing a LOT of breeders posting on FB lately about AKC policies and how disappointed they are. I know I don't know a hole lot about the AKC, and most of what I know is from what other people have posted and my own limited research.

What I want to know is what YOU guys who are involved with AKC or know a hole lot about it think. I have seen posts from Taja Siberians, Ceara's breeder (I THINK..), and a couple Spoo breeders.

The posts have mostly been centered on how the AKC is after money now with their bogus registration crap.

I can copy and paste statuses if people would like!
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 1:38 am

In my research, finding reputable breeders is the first thing, find out if the breeder has both the Stud and the Dam registered which is required, secondly the AKC started back in the 1800's at sometime, I think it was 1877 in the US, earlier in England, but lost its appeal (in my opinion) once it lost the function of the animal versus the beauty. A Shar Pei is beautiful to some people as others think they are not. But this is all part of the debate...

When I registered Maya it was $30, and that includes 1 month of health and accident insurance, for $30 it is worth it to me. I did pay the extra $19 to get 4 generations of Pedigree with her as well... So $49 and it gives me 1 month of health insurance, if I wish to keep the insurance it is like $30/month... Still debating it because there are a lot of exclusions, plus it is a reimbursement insurance after your vet fills out a section, you fill out a section, mail it in and in 15 - 30 days get a portion of your money back minus the $125 (yearly) deductible. (OK, fell off topic here, I am good at that)

So I guess what is your real question, I could go on and on about the AKC, in fact there are others that are more picky about certain qualifications of the animal.

Maya is AKC (Working Group) and the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA) and the AKC Canine Health Foundation have established the Canine Health Information Center (CHIC) to encourage health testing by breeders and provide breeders and researchers with information to improve breeding programs.

I am not a breeder, but I would like to breed Maya once because of her Pedigree is very high class, and I would like to train 2 of the pups for sledding. Maya is already a great sledder, just need to train her for the skates Smile

Let me know if I answered your question or not, because I really didn't see a question, but to recap, a non re-occurring $30 isn't a bad price to me. I spent $150 on a kennel for her night-night time... So in perspective, it isn't bad.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 1:42 am

Lol, guess I was talking more to my friends on FB who I know are friends with the same people I am. I know all about finding a reputable breeder and all that jazz. This is just an example of what I am talking about.

"All I can say is WOW!!!! AKC papers have always been touted as the cream of the crop, and the only "true" respectable registry in the United States. You couldn't get AKC registration papers unless your puppy's parents were both registered with AKC on full registry AND the litter that the puppy came from was registered by the litter owner. Apparently, you can now take your APRI, CKC (continental) or "other" pet registry papers to AKC and if there are AKC registered dogs in the pedigree behind the puppy, AKC issues AKC papers. Don't believe it? I didn't either. It's right on the AKC registry FAQ page:

"For a dog with papers from a non-AKC accepted domestic registry
AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock.

In order to determine AKC registration eligibility, you will need to send AKC a copy of your dog’s pedigree, registration application and/or registration certificate from another registry. You can also submit documentation provided by the breeder such as a contract or bill of sale. The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock.

Should the dog be deemed registrable, AKC staff will register the dog in question for $30. All late fees will be waived.

When you submit your paperwork, please include your name and phone number. You can submit the paperwork in one of three ways:

Fax the information to 919-816-4232. Mark it attn: Registry Research.
Email images to altreg@akc.org. Place Registry Research in the subject line
Mail to:
AKC Registry Research
Attn: Special Services
8051 Arco Corporate Drive Suite 100
Raleigh, NC 27617"

May as well stop selling those puppies on contracts and limited or no papers. Apparently AKC will hand those papers out anyway. Anyone have the first clue when THIS policy took place???"-Taja Siberians

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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 1:53 am

Slight tangent: does your Maya have a scrapbook here??
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 2:03 am

Debbie did post about it Smile

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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 2:13 am

@Jeff: No I have not created one, actually I didn't even know about one... That is why I created my custom signature so it will rotate my pics of Maya as I take them.

@Kelsey: I understand the problem with what your saying, there is a problem with their new rules (I believe this came about in 2010) although it is a solution for others who have purchased their dog from another country. When I received Blu from the abusive owner, she had papers as well but I never transferred the papers because of several reasons, one she was so badly wounded mentally and physically that I couldn't do it. But there are people out there that this type of situation isn't the same and the ability to get these papers may work out for them if they have a good pedigree. So by showing the proper paperwork will at least keep the honest... Well... honest. But in retrospect I also agree it can be abused. So I am on the fence with this new rule.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 2:35 am

Just because a dog has papers does not mean the dog is worthy of being bred or even comes from good stock or have a history of well bred dogs behind it or conform to the standard or have the working ability to do what the breed was bred to do....or, or, or....etc.

Papers =/= healthy, sound dog.

There is nothing wrong with registering what is often deemed as a "pet".  Registering is NOT only for breeding quality dogs.  In today's day and age in the eyes of the public the AKC (is suppose to) represent an ethical, responsible and reputable breeder.  The truth of the matter is the AKC will register anything and everything as long as the lineage can prove the pup is purebred by having papers (and now you don't even have to prove the dog is purebred through AKC's papers alone!).

I'm sorry if I seem a bit confused by your post, Jeff.  It seems to me (or I'm reading and understanding it this way) is that you (general you) only register a dog if you plan to breed?  Again, I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding.

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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 3:00 am

It's a major section on the homepage in the categories. Create one and boom, you can upload all the pics and updates and stories and anecdotes and fun stuff you want Smile [tangent over]
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 3:18 am

@Jeff, Thanks, I seen that, I will do that soon

@Ceara, please forgive me if I came off that way, in fact I did not intend to make it sounds like that at all... I agree with everything you have said as well...
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 3:28 am

Oh no! No apologies Smile I was just confused is all because you had said you planned on breeding Maya but then said when you got Blu you didn't bother transferring the papers because of her abuse.

So in my mind it went together as only breedable dogs got registered...or something.

Smile

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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 7:42 am

Yeah after re-reading it I can see that too. I still get choked up about Blu she was such a wonderful companion, I think I just lost my train of thought when I was typing that up. Anyways off topic again...

I believe that you still need to show the pedigree of the mother and father to get the registration process. I don't understand what part of the new ruling that you are pinpointing on.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 9:21 am

I found this on the AKC site, but it's not very clear on what type of registration it allows or if the dog's get is eligible for registration. (full? limited? ILP?) I think I am going to write and ask, because if they are allowing full registration for dogs who come from parents with a limited registration, for example, then I have a HUGE issue with it. I am flabbergasted that they would compromise their integrity in that way. On the other hand, if they are only doing it for "research purposes" then I *might* be okay with it, depending on where they plan to go with this "research".
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 10:52 am

An incident I had heard was that AKC sent out an email to a puppy owner (who had not registered their dog yet) stating that they could register their dog online for a fee. My understanding is AKC sent them the registration number and full breeding rights code to complete the registration.

Basically, AKC went behind the breeders back and around their contract to get their money for the registration. The puppy was sold on a spay/neuter and papers were promised once proof of spay/neuter was given.

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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 11:02 am

Wow! That really sucks, never herd of that before...
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 11:27 am

Woah......Nope....just nope....I have never been high on AKC, now i have seen the showdogs on this site and they all look like they're able to function as sledding dogs if someone wanted. but the show dohs elsewhere... my husband was screaming about giant mutant foxes, tht is neither here nor there though. Going behind the breeder's back is WRONG.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 10:29 pm

First I've never heard of this 'behind the breeder's back' phenomenon- so I personally would not put much stock into it. HOWEVER, a pet owner can easily change their own registration from limited to full by applying online, lets face it blacking out the box that signifies full/limited isn't hard to figure out what it says- they can also omit co-owners putting themselves as a sole owner. Online registration is a lot of trust of the person registering the dog. Both of these offenses can be legally perused by the breeder pending their contract and if/how the law is able to enforce these contracts by county/state.

Having AKC registered dogs, as it was stated by Ceara, does not equal sound quality dogs- it does not even mean these dogs are breed quality. It purely means they were of registered breeding stock. As a prospective buyer there is still a lot of responsibility on your part to research your breeders and make sure they are being ethical with their breeding practices, and are good stewards of the breed. Given the history behind some of these other registries I will still happily register with the AKC, but know that it has no weight on the quality of my dogs.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Aug 10, 2013 10:46 pm

Well said HuskyMom Smile
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySun Aug 11, 2013 4:27 pm

Am I wrong for personally not caring about this? All of the other registries, including Canadian Kennel Club do this. The AKC is a business first and foremost and they don't monitor their breeders and they certainly can't tell me about ethics, at the end of the day, they provide a nice registry to show with.there are good and bad things about all registries. the AKC isn't some governing body, although they would like you to think so. I guess I'm just jaded.

Now, to avoid the behind the breeder back crap, go to breeders with registered kennel name, if the kennel name is registered online registration isn't an option. It has to be done by paper and it is now very difficult to alter the limited option, as it has to be blacked out with a sharpie.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Feb 01, 2014 8:51 pm

@mbarnard0429 wrote:


Now, to avoid the behind the breeder back crap, go to breeders with registered kennel name, if the kennel name is registered online registration isn't an option. It has to be done by paper and it is now very difficult to alter the limited option, as it has to be blacked out with a sharpie.

I am sorry to break the bad news to you; however, having a registered kennel name does not prevent anyone from registering a puppy from that kennel online with AKC. First they can simply eliminate the registered kennel name from their puppy's name when they me their puppy online. Secondly, another nice little change that AKC has made is to now ALLOW people to register a dog online with a registered kennel name. I can verify this because one of our puppies was recently registered online and we typed in the registered kennel name just to see what would happen. AKC registered the puppy and just flashed a little pop-up that said "This is a registered kennel name. Please make sure you have permission to use this name" That was it. They used to refuse registration if you tried to register online with a registered name. Not anymore. The puppy in question now has papers with our registered kennel name on them.
If I called or wrote AKC and contested that puppy's name, they may correct it. . . or they may not. AKC's track record isn't exactly stellar. So for all of you who pay for a registered name and think your registered name protects you from those kinds of hi-jinx, think again.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Feb 01, 2014 9:12 pm

I have not been able to register online with either my Karnovanda or Qudos dog.

It will not work.
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How long ago did you try? We just found this out within the last 7 days when one of our current puppies was registered.
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PostSubject: Re: "New" AKC policies??   "New" AKC policies?? EmptySat Feb 01, 2014 9:15 pm

Yes, this would have been a few months ago and before. Must be a more recent development?

That makes me unhappy.
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It gets far worse. If you sell a puppy on a contract and withhold papers until you receive proof of spay, the buyer can go to AKC with the names of the sire and dam and ask for the papers and AKC will hand them over with FULL registration. Your only recourse is to have a strong contract that will stand up in court and then sue the puppy buyer for breaching it. Unfortunately, that does not repair the potential damage once the puppy is out there will full registration.

http://www.thedogpress.com/Editorials/0808-AKC-Registers-Unregistered-Dogs.asp
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Well, it's about the money.
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