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PostSubject: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:57 pm

I've had my Husky since she was 10 weeks old. Back then, I had her on the Blue Buffalo... whatever the puppy one was. Made her super gassy after about 4 months old. So I put her on... I honestly forget, it's been almost 2 years. But it was working. She got older and she started sneaking some of my other dogs Blue Buffalo Wilderness, alright, I'll switch. Started giving her that. She was a bit gassy, figured it would go away after she got used to the food switch. Nope, poop was goop and she was really really gassy, even after two months. So now starts the endless cycle of food that she does eat, but makes her gassy / sick, and food that she doesn't eat, but when and IF she does, she isn't gassy or sick.

Gassy:
Canidae Grain Free Pure
Blue Buffalo Wilderness (Flavors: Bison, duck, red meat, chicken, salmon)
Solid Gold? Idk, came in a gold and black, vacuum sealed bag. Don't remember the name as it made her gassy.

Not gassy:
Blue Buffalo Freedom
Canidae Life Stages
Nutro Natural Choice
Various types from EVO
Iams

Now, she ALWAYS eats the first bowl of dog food if it's new. Second, sometimes, third, I gotta put gravy on it. Fourth, it sits there until day 6 or 7 and she reluctantly eats it. The gassy food, she will eat just about every time. Is there a dog version of a gas blocker? Maybe I can get her to take that and eat the wilderness? The Iams... I am not sure, I don't buy it. She ate it while visiting my aunt. I'd personally never buy it. The other foods that don't make her gassy, she won't eat. I have her bowl in front of me. I put gravy on it two days ago, she ate about three kibbles then tips it over and I have to pick it all up. Today I have added in white rice, cooked carrots and two cans of tuna and some fresh gravy, she ate about three bites and tipped it over and now is refusing to eat it, even if I try to hand feed. Hell, I even ate some myself to try to get her to eat it (It's the only way she will eat things with BBQ sauce on it or something, she has to see me eat it for some reason. Like, I'll make BBQ pulled pork and let her lick the slow cooker after it's cooled off, she won't touch it unless she sees me eat some, it's weird.)

I am slowly moving on to cooking her food. I am thinking of trying it. But the fact that she won't even eat the tuna/rice/carrot/gravy with some mixed in dog food just baffles me. I mean, minus the dog food, it's pretty damn good and I even threw in some chicken into mine and made a burrito out of what was left over (I am very bad at rice. Two cups looks barely enough, cooks into a mountain of rice, bad at gauging that). I understand I should use like brown rice or whatever. But I had white rice and there's 2 feet of snow outside and my garage door is iced shut so I can't get the Jeep out. It's the weekend anyway so I don't really care about going anywhere anyway.

She has done this before, not eat for 3-5 days. I have taken her to the vet, nothing. Not sick, no weird sounds, she's full of energy as usual, she eats treats and any human food I give her and eats my other dogs Blue Buffalo Wilderness when she isn't supposed to. I know when she eats it because my other dog comes up with his bowl and whimpers and my Husky gets all gassy and makes you want to open the windows in 0 degree weather.

Any advice? I know I have tried more foods than that, I have already grabbed EVERY brand / type of dog food I have bought in the past and laid them out on the store floor with a pen and paper and listed all the ingredients. Okay, she likes this, it has this and this, this dog food she doesn't like, has the same three main ingredients. First one makes her gassy. The only difference is percentage of X ingredient and maybe vegetable of peanut oil. Or has fish oil. But then this one has a fish flavor she hates. But she loves tuna, wtf, I put tuna in her dog food and she won't eat it. I'm at a loss. The only thing I can think of is giving her the Wilderness, that she may not even eat more than two or three times before she refuses to eat it, then give her a tums or... dog-tums, whatever.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:56 pm

Haha, sorry to laugh, but it's a husky thing!! Welcome to the forum.

Quite honestly a healthy dog will eat just about anything, I too had a severe problem with my girl. She did have a bad case of tape worms and this may not show up on a vet stool check. So if she is healthy in every other way I suggest giving her a round of Sentry worm X plus with praziquantel. If she picked up a stray flea or ate a wild rabbit this will result in tape. If she doesn't have tape, it will not harm her to give a round of this anyways.

Next is to stop feeding her all sorts of foods(btw, white rice, not brown and not minute rice, is ok especially for tummy upset). Pick one kibble and stick with it. Most of the time us humans make the problem, and worsen the problem. Many huskies are self regulators, in which some may go a day or two without eating. So if she is at a healthy weight and she is not getting a lot of exercise, she may not require as much food as you think she does. My girl is on the larger side for a husky, and when she is not exercised much she might eat a cup of kibble for the day, on a high exercise day, maybe 2 cups. Huskies also will tend to eat 20-25% less food than what is recommended on packages. You also must watch to make sure she doesn't eat the other dog's food, if she doesn't eat hers, make sure the other one is done and pick up the bowls, even if she doesn't eat hers.

Some other ideas are to feed raw, we have a wealth of info in the raw feed section. Cooking takes away many of the nutrients that are needed. However, I did have much success, and because Miya was under weight, I did for a time, cook about 2-4 ounces of either turkey burger or 80/20 hamburger in about a half of a cup of water and then mixed in 3/4 to 1 cup of kibble. Once her worms were gone, and she was at a healthy weight, I went back to just kibble and a raw meaty bone(between 3-5 times a week) and eats it quite happily, again with the kibble it is grain free and between 1-2 cups daily.

Personally I would avoid bbq, it's really not good for a dog, maybe a lick but that's it. Also with my girl Duck and pork is too rich and makes her have loose stools, I avoid those type of proteins in kibble as well as a human food treat.

Hope that helps and good luck.

ETA: although many people do not like Taste of the Wild(because of Diamond recalls), many still feed it, trying this or an excellent brand with out any recalls is Fromm, those 2 brands have had much success for huskies, for whatever reason, many huskies have trouble on any type of the Blue products.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:24 pm

I started to respond to this - then realized that my response started with "You're letting your husky train you." and in light of that other conversation I'm in, decided to not reply.

My kids like Fromm, it isn't helping with Sasha's weight - getting out more would help both of us ... but I can find an excuse to set at the computer without trying too hard.

I like your response Renee, so I'll leave you to it!
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:42 pm

I'll try Taste of the Wild then. As far as licking plates clean, it's something that will always happen in this household. It's been a thing since I was a kid, I'm 27 and I still let the dogs grab the food off the floor and lick any and all plates / dishes clean. Makes washing them way easier anyway as I do not have a dish washer. She has full access outside in a acre fenced in area and she dug herself a hole through the snow to get out of her doggy door. The garage is downstairs, living area is up stairs. If I can't see her out of the windows / sliding glass doors going onto my upper deck, I can see her on the security cameras while at my computer.

My other dog eats about 90% of his food and eats the remaining sometime during the night or early morning. My husky only eats it occasionally, maybe happens once or twice a month. But I am kind of being tired of people assuming I randomly switch food and whatever. I don't want my dog ripping farts and clearing out entire rooms of the house. It's not a very big house and it can make it hard to get away. She gets consistently gassy, I change food. Simple as that. I don't eat at fast food restaurants because they make me gassy and put me on the toilet, so why on earth would I keep eating it? Same thing with my dog. Why keep feeding a food if it just makes her all gurggly and gassy? I don't want that, she probably doesn't want it either.

The advice on this forum as always been minimal, I will take the advise of feeding that particular dog food and just feed it to her dry. My dogs do not "train me". The replies here can do without the negativity and backhanded comments. Alijones, people like you ruin forums for people like me.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:14 pm

To be 100% honest I'd take away any scraps, table food, etc, and only offer the dog food. It really does sound like your dog is learning how to get the food she likes instead of eating the food she has offered to her. Now that doesn't mean you're forcing her to eat something she doesn't like, but its basically 'grass is greener on the other side' if she can get you to entice her by putting gravy on it and added special goodies, why wouldn't she turn up her nose to a regular bowl of kibble?

When I switched my boy from Pedigree (awful food he was fed when I rescued him) to TOTW, he refused to eat for four days. I started with half and half to let him adjust but he just picked out pieces and only ate the Pedigree. So I threw out the Pedigree and put a bowl of TOTW down, if he didn't eat within 10min I put it up. Repeated for two meals a day four days until he finally ate. Now he is not fussy and eats any food I give to him. A healthy dog will eat. But a healthy dog will also try to get all the extras it can if its a learned behavior.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:12 pm

Welcome to the forum.

I really agree with Megan, you will have to steel you heart, give her the food YOU decide she should eat, leave it out for 10-15 minutes, take away. No treats etc until she eats reliably. Sort of tough love.

Also - how much are you feeding her? Possibly she is getting more than she needs?

I would also keep her from getting your other dog's food (we have a "grand-puppy" that visits a lot and he will steal Ami's food in a heartbeat if I don't watch them...Ami is a more deliberate eater, savors his food and self-regulates so he may not always eat the whole thing.)
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:56 pm

Well you are well aware of what's causing the problems in your dogs stomach/intestines because you openly admit it and you defend yourself rather aggressively on a friendly forum, one that you have joined to publicly asked for thoughts and opinions, by the way.  And you received both.

So if you aren't going to change and take further responsibility for the problem, why even both continuing to post on here?

By the way, your fast food analogy is exactly what's going on in your dog's body.  Whether you want to admit that or accept that is irrelevant, it's just the truth.  

Your dog's diet is erratic, unstable, way too complicated, and unhealthy and subsequently so is your dog's stomach and intestines.

That's just the reality.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:56 pm

So 6 brands of food over the course of two years to try to find something she likes is "erratic, unstable and way too complicated"? I'm sorry that I am more concerned on finding a dog food that my dog is willing to eat that doesn't make her clear out the house. So your advice would be to stick to one food, even if she is gassy and makes her sick? Just stick to that one food, no deviation? That sounds like terrible advice.

I am currently cooking my dogs dog food myself. I looked into Taste of the Wild and not only is it more expensive than home cooking, to get it is a hour and a half drive round trip as the local pet store does not have it. And I am not sure why you'd recommend white rice over brown rice. Literally every recipe I have come across with nutrition in mind recommends using brown rice, whether it's for humans or dogs. Brown rice being higher in protein and lower in fat as well as having more carbs, which basically every breed of dog thrives off of (Unless you are on a breed specific forum, then suddenly natural rules do not apply). And since my Husky spends more than half her day outside playing in the snow and doing whatever, the higher energy from the food is a good thing.

My dogs don't get a terrible amount of "scraps" as you may claim. Get a plate in the morning to lick between the two of them which just contains homemade strawberry jam that fell off my toast that my Husky doesn't even like and small amount of egg yolk. Then dinner it's whatever juices are left over from the meal. Two dogs, one plate, it's not a whole lot, stop pretending that it is. The dog food is the issue here. Her being outside a lot and running in circles and chasing just about every rabbit/squirrel/bird that decides to cut through the yard, and summer time always jumping into the pond, she isn't getting the food she needs with all the energy she is burning. It's pretty obvious that she is really thin.

Been two days now on cooked human food, that's 3 meals so far, tonight she gets her 4th. And she's been eating it right away with no adverse side effects. Not even gassy from a sudden change in food and I just cook her meal when I cook mine. All recipes so far have come from balanceit.com and so far, every single recipe has more deficiencies with white rice than it does brown rice. Or it calls for substantially more white rice to make up for it. Just saying.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:20 pm

White rice is more digestible for a dog over brown. That's why I mentioned it. Cooked food is not appropriate long term for a dog. They loose valuable nutrients that is cooked away. Find one brand of dog food that doesn't clear the house out was all I suggest. Dogs have way different systems than we do. I also mentioned in looking into raw feeding, since imho, it is much closer to what a dog really should eat. However, whether feeding cooked or raw there are items in that diet your dog will not get, and supplements are in order, that's why most people choose to feed kibble, because it is formulated for a dog. Feeding an egg is not the question, feeding bbq is, too much garlic can be bad for a dog, and you should never feed onions and peppers, most bbq's have those ingredients.

You asked for help, and everyone who posted said basically the same thing. I understand an underweight dog, Miya is a little over 2 years old and was very under weight up until a couple of months ago. But just because their name has husky in it does not mean they should be husky in size. So out of curiosity how tall and how much does your dog weigh? We are honestly here to help. But you need to be willing to listen to the advise we all have given. Not feeding your dog the appropriate food may cause other health problems down the road, so our advice is merely for the well being and longevity of your dog. None of us are here to create an argument, just help, so please view our posts as help and not chastising you.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:30 pm

My other singular response in this thread was greeted with a backhand. I decided that other than giving a suggestion for a food that my dogs thrive on I really had nothing to say that I thought the OP would accept.

First, you say that it's an hour and a half, I presume one way, to get TOTW which you'd rather not feed anyway, that's okay but it does lead to a question "Where are you?" Your profile is lacking in much of the information that we use when we're talking with others.  You give us no clues and suggesting that you might look at something that we might know is not available to you is a waste of everyone's time.

While (and this is not intended to shortchange your thoughts) you seem to take personal affront to much of what people have suggested however we have neither a name for you nor your dogs.  We also don't know their size or weights which could be beneficial when we're on a topic that involves nutrition.  What you consider "underweight" for a 26 inch tall dog might be normal for a 20 inch tall pup, we don't know and those points might help us offer suggestions.

Now, I'm going to be a bit more pointed.  In your initial message you listed eight foods that you had fed her over, let's say, two years.  I understand that you're trying to find something with which you both can live - her for nutrition, you because of gas attacks - but honestly, that does sound more like desperation than the scientific qualifications you used when you examined the bags of food at the store.  

Let's establish a few known facts about Husky's:
  • They can be super sensitive to the ingredients in various foods.
  • They can be very picky eaters.
  • They are known for occasionally taking breaks from eating. It's oddly a normal occurrence.

I'd really be interested in what conclusions you found when you went to the store and listed ingredients. What food made her gassy? What did she seem to like? Share that with us and we might be better able to see something from our own experience that we can share with you to help both you and your dog.

I did not intend my comment in my initial response to be a slight of you, simply that it probably would not be productive and I realized then that I knew too little to make an intelligent comment.
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PostSubject: Re: Husky not willing to eat the right stuff   Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:50 am

Hello! I had a nasty bout with gassy dogs to, my big Akita thing girl can clear a room with her farts. Now I do rotate kibble but we actually did this because Kuma was so gassy and was having hershey squirt poops, figured out some of it had to do with potatos of all things and sometimes salmon based foods. Right now were switching between flavors of Back to Basics Grain Free and Earthborn Holistic, I like to rotate proteins since if I get bored eating the same food they probably do to, also its possible for some dogs to develop protein allergies if fed the same protein for too long, we fed kuma one food for the first six months of her life and she has done better on a rotation every 2 months, less squirts and farts. A way to solve gassy dogs is to feed them yogurt, just plain yogurt. Goat milk is a good choice to, this aids with digestion and leads to a less farty dog and firmer poops! My dogs love yogurt and since it helps with digestion I don't mind placing a glop on their food. I sometimes use it as a kong filler to, my husky mix actually eats slower when its yogurt time since she wants to savor it.
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