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cosmothunder
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PostSubject: teeth showing   Tue May 05, 2015 9:42 pm

Bandit hasn't done this in a while. She started to eat the other dogs food. Brother and his dog are here for a few days. I yelled no real loud and she stopped. Walked over to her and slowly pushed her down in a submissive position and then she challenedged me. She hasn't done this in a while. I took my hand and covered her mouth and said no real loud again and she stopped. Is this bad? Am I looking too much into it? Will this occasionally happen?

Fyi for all those who regularly follow my posts she is doing better with the tail biting. Her hair is growing back
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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Tue May 05, 2015 9:54 pm

Are you asking if it's bad that you did this? Yes, I think.

You're showing her that you're unstable and erratic and why should she trust you or listen to you if that's the case?

You're a very inexperienced dog owner and you have a very rocky relationship with your dog. I think it's very risky and unfortunate that you're resorting to physically and emotionally invasive discipline techniques.

Seems Iike Bandit is continually frustrating and confusing you.

I don't know what else to say, but to answer your question, yes, I think it's bad.
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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Tue May 05, 2015 10:31 pm

Well what should of been done? None of it was hurting her. None of it was abuse. What other way is there to correct her on something like this? Fyi don't have to sound like a dick lol I just asked a question and needed advise
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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Tue May 05, 2015 11:31 pm

Tony - if you don't already know, I frequently dog-sit my son's husky mix, Archer.  Archer is just over a year old.  He will try to snatch Ami's food at any and all opportunities.  The way I handle this is to walk in the kitchen with both bowls (filled) (and dog's trotting happily under my feet Rolling Eyes ), put Archer's bowl down first next to the island, walk the 4-5 ft or so and put Ami's bowl down on the hearth.  Archer no longer tries to push Ami out of his bowl (I used to have to be the food police).  There is no need for this dominant/submissive stuff.  I find it degrading to resort to such thinking.  Really, a simple "eh eh eh" or "nope" or "fagetaboutit" or "don't even think about it" said in a pleasant but firm voice is all you need.  Sort of a gentle warning tone...

Kind of like you are a nursery school teacher with a classroom of 3 yr old kids...and their parent's are watching in the background lol!

Think about training your dog as little baby steps...in this case, first, you manage the situation so she can't get to the other dog's food (as in I put Archer's bowl down first) then you allow a little more freedom, maybe put both bowls down at the same time but stay you stay right there between them (if she goes for the other bowl, a simple, verbal "eh eh" or some such - very matter of fact, if she continues, pick up the bowl and give it to the other dog, giving Bandit her own.)  Repeated enough times, it will be habit.

Remember, the secret to training your dog, just as being a successful parent or teacher, is consistency, clear expectations and a warm, nurturing (but NOT smothering) nature.  You should be your dog's refuge, she should not fear you or kowtow to you.

Did you ever show your vet the video of her head shaking - I've been wondering how that came out.  Maybe the tail was flea irritation?
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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Wed May 06, 2015 12:14 am

@cosmothunder wrote:
Fyi don't have to sound like a dick lol I just asked a question and needed advise

No need to resort to name calling either. You may want to call me a name as well, however, you continue to ask questions with quite simple solutions. In this case, if the dogs are food aggressive, separate them when you feed (as Amy suggested). As many as us have tried to hammer home, NO, BANDIT DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM.

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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Wed May 06, 2015 1:50 am

@cosmothunder wrote:
Well what should of been done? None of it was hurting her. None of it was abuse. What other way is there to correct her on something like this? Fyi don't have to sound like a dick lol I just asked a question and needed advise

I didn't say you hurt or abused her. You asked if it was bad that you did what you did, and I answered, Yes, I thought it was and explained why, which was because you put negative physical and emotional pressure on your dog which did nothing but scare her and perpetuate your instability to her.

How long have we been logging on to see you asking the same questions over and over again now and responding with not only lengthy responses but video links and trainer recommendations?

People have been very generous and kind and devoted to you and your dog on this forum, and I've probably contributed more than anyone else.

If I was a dick, you'd know it. I'd be personally trashing you and calling you names or other very unflattering things.

I respond to the information you provide, which is a substantial amount. Any help or comments you have ever gotten from me has taken your dog's well being first and foremost, which I think you routinely jeopordize.

I'm not going to apologize for that or backpedal.

You were warned many months ago that you're cultivating an aggressive dog and it's showing more and more.

I think you are capable of doing more to change that.



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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Wed May 06, 2015 4:59 am

The only dogs I've taken to the ground were akitas as a last resort and only one did I physically put on the ground rather than just using forceful body language and having them drop in submission on their own before really making contact. It's not necessary 99% of the time. It is somewhat emotionally abusive to dogs. Taking a dog to the ground in dog speak means you are willing to do it serious harm or death. It does not build trust and good behavior. It should be unnecessary in a breed like huskies. In my case it was to stop a very aggressive behavior like full out threats to bite and I still didn't do the whole hold them down, grab their nose, look them in the eye, etc... I said "NO!", pushed in to their space really fast, and they fell sideways. Then I got up, did anything necessary to remove the problem, and ignored them. Dogs being pack animals want attention so ignoring them or leaving the room is a big negative to dogs.

For a food situation like that I would tell my dog "eh" which is my warning. If they continue it's "no", "leave it". If it still continues I stand up and remove them from the area. If I want to leave the food down and keep them around while they won't listen to verbal commands I will tie them to me and then they have no choice but to watch the food sit there. Having 2 akitas, a shiba, and a husky we have very strict food rules here to be able to feed everyone without locking them all up constantly. It was built dog by dog as we added them and from easy to control situations up to more complex and increasingly with food that has a greater value. For simplicity and safety in most cases it is best to just feed dogs separately.

Never is my punishment more than a single loud reprimand and taking them out of the situation unless there is a serious threat being made and I have to act right now. The softer your punishments are and the more rope you give them with warnings to change their behavior before punishing the more they will react to you so you don't have to get as aggressive and usually they respond with a more positive attitude. Warnings also help them learn so they don't repeat something. A good leader leads by example. Do you want a dog that needs to be pinned to the floor every time you want to discipline it? Do you want your dog to apply the same amount of force when it decides to discipline any other dog or animal it comes across? You set the tone. Your dog learns from you.
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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Wed May 06, 2015 8:42 am

Well the other dog picks at his food. Bandit doesn't usually go for it cause She knows not to. She got into it this time. I guess I'll just tell at her real quick. Like a big ol "hey" to get her attention and tell her no.

Bandit is not good aggresive. She used to be and that was solve with about a month and half of hand heeding. She is so much better on that thanks to the suggestions of people here.

Jeff, sorry. I read it again and realise that I was just being an idiot when replying to you. Long day for me

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PostSubject: Re: teeth showing   Wed May 06, 2015 9:08 am

Oh and btw there has been plenty of progress with the things I have asked. No more food agression. I can take toys away with no issues anymore. I can take kings away with no fuss at all. She doesn't growl at me on things either. Besides this incident I haven't seen teeth in almost 5 months. I do listen
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