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PostSubject: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:25 am

Just wondering if anyone has a list of (safe) raw veggies that they give their huskies?

Red loves carrots (either refrigerated or frozen) but I've noticed that she seems to be getting bored of them. I'd like to change it up a bit to give her some variety. I don't want to always reward her with too many doggie treats because she never seems to get enough of them. On occasion, I'd like to supplement her doggie treats with a veggie. I've only given her radishes once and she gobbled that up without any issues or side effects. My neighbor also gives her schnauzer string beans but I haven't tried that yet.


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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:12 pm

you can also give then apples, pars, watermelon, cantaloupe but no seeds. sweet potatoes, bananas, strawberries, blueberries and coconut. almost forgot squash and celery. Leo love is veggies and fruits.
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PostSubject: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Updated 9/8/15   Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:21 pm

My first reactions was to suggest that you do a search since I know this has been covered in agonizing detail ... and I will often post the search link to help people find what they're looking for.  A search for carrot turns up - nothing?; a search for carrots turns up two returns - both of which are for national carrots day<??>

So, for simplicity I'll list fruits and vegetables, that are good or bad.
Acceptable

  • Almonds
  • Aloe Vera -  anthracene glycosides3
  • Apple - amygdalin1
  • Apricot - amygdalin1
  • Asparagus
  • Avacado14
  • Banana
  • Beets
  • Bell peppers (red, green, yellow)
  • Blueberries
  • Broccoli13
  • Cabbage
  • Cantaloupe
  • Carob17
  • Carrots
  • Cauliflower
  • Celery
  • Cherry - amygdalin1
  • Coconut (raw)
  • Corn - off the cob!
  • Cranberries
  • Cucumber
  • Dates (without the seeds)
  • Figs (may cause diarrhea)
  • Gourds
  • Green beans - be aware of salt content in canned green beans.
  • Lemons
  • Lettuce
  • Mango - urushiol oil2
  • Melons
  • Mushrooms9
  • Nuts (from trees)15
  • Olives
  • Orange
  • Parsley (may cause diarrhea)
  • Peach - amygdalin1
  • Peanut Butter - in moderation; very high fat content.
  • Pear - amygdalin1
  • Pineapple
  • Plum - amygdalin1
  • Potato - 8
  • Pumpkin
  • Radish16
  • Raspberries
  • Rice - white; brown must be "overcooked" or it may not digest properly.
  • Spinach - 10
  • Squash (acorn, banana, zucchini, etc)
  • Strawberries
  • Sweet potato
  • Tomato - 8
  • Watermelon 18

NOT Acceptable

  • Chocolate - theobrime4
  • Coffee - caffeine5
  • Currants(US)6
  • Garlic6
  • Grapes / Raisins6
  • Hops11
  • Macadamia Nuts - 7
  • Onions6
  • Rhubarb12
  • Shallots6
  • Tea -Caffeine5

1the seeds of these plants contain amygdalin, a cyanide and sugar compound that degrades into hydrogen cyanide (HCN) when metabolized.  The flesh is edible, the seeds in large quantities are not.
2Mango skin contains urushiol oil, the same allergen found in poison ivy.  It won't bother the pup, but it might bother you!
3can cause significant intestinal upset and may act as a laxative
4Chocolate in any form contains various amounts of theobime - the darker the chocolate, the more theobrime.
5Caffeine can cause rapid heart rate and may lead to seizures.
6Associated with the development of kidney failure in dogs
7associated with a nonfatal syndrome characterized by vomiting, ataxia, weakness, hyperthermia, and depression. Can be fatal!
8The ripe fruit is edible but the plant itself contains poisonous compunds.
9Mushrooms purchased from the store are safe; wild mushrooms are highly questionable and may be poisonous.
10contains oxalates that are toxic to a dog's kidneys in large quantities
11can cause malignant hyperthermia in dogs, usually with fatal results
12contains oxalates, which can cause bladder stones
13contains isothiocyanate and can cause gastrointestinal irritation
14The fruit, leaves, and bark contain a toxic compound called persin, generally in limited quantities the fruit is safe.
15The shells and husks will probably contain aflatoxin generated by molds.  The meat of a nut typically does not but it may be contaminated in processing.
16The normal garden variety radish is safe so long as the dog doesnt object to the "spicieness"; there is however a wild radish whose seeds are toxic
17Carob does, arguably, contain the same toxin as chocolate (theobrime) but in such limited quantities that an 8 pound dog would have to eat 4 pounds of carob to become ill.
18Seedless, if you please, watermelon seeds have been known to cause blockages.



If you've made it this far, I think it safe to say that most of the foods on the "Okay" list are really okay, just use common sense.  The caveats on this list, generally, are for huge quantities (more than the dog would normally eat for any reason!)

This list, contains mostly plants - however these are what are considered edible plants the list of flowering / shrub plants is another animal and MUCH more than I think appropriate here.  Just be aware that many flowering plants are fatal to our canine friends!

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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:57 pm

wow, nice list I'm usually very cautious of seeds, very good to know and very well none. marks this topic as a reference.


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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:27 pm

Al fantastic list very impressive and detailed.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Sep 07, 2015 5:14 pm

Im loving this list Al, thank you for posting it
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PostSubject: Subject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden    Mon Sep 07, 2015 7:11 pm

Al, thanks for this list! Very much appreciated. I initially did try a search but nothing turned up. It's likely I wasn't  using the correct key words in this forum. Lol @ the national carrot day....too funny.

I've been very careful with keeping Red away from my plants already since I have a few that are a no-no for her. They're all out on the back porch and I take her out the front for potty breaks anyway.

Also, according to my vet's list of toxins, dogs cannot have avocados as well. More for me then!

@Ronin, thank you as well! My husband cannot have seeds either so I guess so he gets to join the puppy club of no seeds. bom


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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:11 pm

If I'd thought before I started consolidating this list - I'd have mad a "Maybe" category.

Avocado would definitely be on the Maybe list.  No one that I've seen considers the meat of an avocado to be toxic, but all have the warning that the skin, seed and the plant itself contain persin which at the very least can cause an upset stomach and in quantity can be fatal.

For example, the Pet Poison Hotline has this to say:

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Avocado contains a toxin called persin, but despite the rumors, avocado is not poisonous to dogs, nor likely to cats. Only certain species are poisoned by persin. While dogs and cats don’t seem to be affected by persin, avocado poisoning can be deadly to birds and large animals (such as cattle). The bigger risk to dogs and cats is a foreign body obstruction, which can occur if the dog swallowed the whole large, round avocado seed; due to size alone, this seed can get stuck in the esophagus, stomach or intestinal tract of dogs.

ETA: I hope that everyone realizes that there is a range in which these foods are safe (carrots, etc); foods that may cause some minor irritation, diarrhea for example; foods where a part of the plant is safely edible and parts are not (avocado, tomato, etc); foods which may have no immediate, apparent effect but have cumulative effects over time (raisins); foods that are known to have relatively immediate potentially fatal results (chocolate, caffeine).

Even on the toxic end it often depends on the quantity of the item ingested, some small amounts of milk chocolate may have no discernible effects however, large amounts of white chocolate can be fatal.

As parents of often mischievous "children" we need to be aware of those common "foods" that are problematic (coffee, chocolate, alcohol for example) and "child proof" our homes. Some of the items on these lists may have no effect on a Great Dane and be fatal for a Chihuahua - we must be aware, as much as we can, of what our pets are eating and the potential for danger that each item carries with it.

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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods    Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:01 am

aljones wrote:

ETA:  I hope that everyone realizes that there is a range in which these foods are safe (carrots, etc); foods that may cause some minor irritation, diarrhea for example; foods where a part of the plant is safely edible and parts are not (avocado, tomato, etc); foods which may have no immediate, apparent effect but have cumulative effects over time (raisins); foods that are known to have relatively immediate potentially fatal results (chocolate, caffeine).




Very well said.


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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 2:42 am

Al, I don't want to intrude on your list but I do know of one more nut that is fatal to horses and dogs, it's the Black Walnut. And if living in an area where a Black Walnut tree exists, a dog eating even the hull of a moldy walnut from the ground can get tremors and seizures. Nuts in general are high in fat and can cause upset stomachs in dogs so really, it's kind of best to just keep nuts away from your dog if you can.

I have a list myself somewhere of tons of this stuff that I looked up when my previous huskies were seizuring. Just wanted to mention the nuts because it was something I remembered.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:35 am

I didn't want to go into that since it opens an whole other can of worms.  My assumption as I put that list together was that we are talking about either raw or normal human quality foods.  

Your comment is in fact very true, but it's usually not the meat of the walnut (or almost any nut for that matter) the problem lies in a fungus that develops on the hulls (outer husk and shell) of the nuts - in the normal ripening process.  Processing the nuts for sale may contaminate the meats and is of little concern for humans the normal intended purchaser.

As an aside, I'd like to remind people that peanuts are not a nut, they're a legume - in the same family as peas.

Aflatoxins are present in the molds that form on many foods that have gotten wet.  It's a simple mold and is present in grains (yes, the corn in dog food may contain aflatoxin and there have been aflatoxin recalls), true nuts (both the hull as you noted and the meat) and spices (since many of them are gathered green and allowed to "dry" naturally, they often contain aflatoxins).

As a generality, aflatoxins are not harmful to humans but can be fatal to dogs and horses.

Geeze, Jimmy, the subject was "what vegetables are okay for dogs?"  Smile btw, if you (or anyone) have additions / corrections, feel free to shoot me a note and I'll update that list accordingly.

I've seen posts where the subject line indicates that a post has been updated - I can't make that happen, how do you do it??

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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:50 pm

LOL Al, I realize that Wink but you mentioned nuts as acceptable and you mentioned almonds and Macadamia nuts so I thought I'd mention the Black Walnuts, and yes I know you added the lil mold thing along with nuts being acceptable.haha. Ok, I won't add to your list, a list I truly appreciate btw Smile I'll just go back to posting the many many pics to my scrapbooks, lol.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:01 pm

Al is amazing! Bookmarked!

If I could also venture off topic carob is a replacement for chocolate if you ever feel like making those pretty gourmet dog treats. If you're worried about the junk in dog treats you can totally make your own. And share your recipes with me. Lol!
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:07 pm

i always wonder what i could use as frosting for home made treats. whats  carob confused and where can i find some?
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PostSubject: Testing title field   Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:44 pm

Personally, I'm not against going off topic (as long as I have recieved some replies to my original question). For me, it's an educational process and sometimes, it helps to answer questions I would never have even thought to ask.

I did figure out how to update the title of a post. As the author, I went back to the orignal post I made that started this thread. When I click on Edit, it allows me to edit BOTH the title and post (although I probably wouldn't bother to edit the latter this far into the thread). This method will change the title on the orignial post and all subsequent replies from both the author and other members. I did update the title - let me know it this is OK or if there are any other suggestions. I didn't want to simply change it to "Update: and forbidden n*ts" in case anyone gets offended!

The forum also allows you to edit the title of your own subsequent post also. See the title field of this post I made in this thread. It says "Testing title field" and seems to only impact my own post and none of the others. I guess with this method, you have the option to give your reply a different title from the original post if you end up going off topic. But I found that you have to publish your reply first before you can go back in and enter a different title.


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PostSubject: Following Carob update   Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:11 pm

Amanda, so *I* can't change the original title - oh well, you all are just going to have to check to see if I've made any updates Smile  Updated my portion of your thread and added carob.  Now I wish someone would tell me definitively if Carob contains theobromine or not - some say yes, some say no; in either case it's such an insignificant amount as to be inconsequential.

Sidetracked, a road runner decided to come in the house, had to rescue it before the dogs got it!  Fun times in the desert!

Ronin, there are folks on Amazon who sell carob.  I really don't know where one might find it locally - a health food store??

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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:21 pm

cool, will start looking to see if i can find it locally, if not to amazon lol.
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PostSubject: Where to purchase Carob   Tue Sep 08, 2015 4:29 pm

Both www.drugstore.com and www.vitacost.com sells carob. Vitacost seems to have a larger selection though. Both sites are good and from past experience, sometimes they have better prices than Amazon.com.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:35 pm

Most whole foods have carob. A lot of grocery stores have it, too. Look in the "hippy" section as I call it. You know what I'm talking about. It's the health food section. It is usually in either powder or chip form.

Here is a recipe for chips:
http://www.beggles-dog-treats.com/dog-treat-icings.html
Simple Carob Icing Recipe

1 cup carob chips
1/2 cup water
1 tsp either canola oil or paramount crystals

It's pretty much like melting chocolate chips.

http://www.beggles-dog-treats.com/melting-carob-chips.html

For carob powder just mix it in boiling water. To get the right consistency you'll probably end up using almost equal parts both.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Wed Sep 09, 2015 3:54 pm

awesome, must try it. thanks guys.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:36 am

So glad I clicked this! I am going to print that list off and put it on the fridge for reference. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:54 pm

So far I have given Red the following without any tummy issues (she goes absolutely BONKERS for radishes and celery):

Carrots
Celery
Radishes
Beets
Apple (I actally used this to train her to sit)
Bannana
Lemon (I only let her take a small lick one time)
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:13 pm

Meeka loves apples. Loki hates them. You got to be careful because the seeds can be dangerous if they eat too many, though.


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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:24 pm

Can anyone tell me if a puppy can be fed too much carrot? I started using them as treats when I train him (currently at "down"), and he likes it: cut a medium sized carrot into very small roundels and we almost finish it through the training.

Btw, Ghost is 11 weeks old at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: What raw veggies are OK for dogs? Update: and forbidden foods   Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:34 pm

Not sure what others will say, but carrots are not really digested in dogs, as in they don't take in very many nutrients, like we do. I would, imho, switch it up with other treats since Ghost is going through a whole one daily. I imagine if you look, it comes back out on the other end, pretty much the same way it went in. I don't believe there is any toxicity in feeding a whole carrot.
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