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PostSubject: Crate Training Catastrophe   Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:08 pm

My boy Link is 5 months old. He is hypersocial and very reliant on contact of other humans and dogs. He is actually too social in many cases.

He has a problem when he sees people where he pulls on the leash and yelps and barks just because he wants to go say hi so bad. It is not harmful or aggressive and most people can tell that.  However when he sees another dog he flips out. He barks and jumps and "screams" until he can get to the other dog and sniff some butts and play around.

Other dogs and owners often think he is being aggressive with the barking and pulling. When he gets up to them he just plays and sniffs, but the other dogs usually get scared and don't like it and sort of snap at him.

I tell you all of that to explain how social he really is. The problem is that he can not be in the crate even for a few seconds without that same "scream" and immediately peeing himself. Then when he pees he hates sitting near it and he continues to freak out. I hypothesize that this is because he feels like he can't easily get to me so he gets anxious.

I am not new to this. I know that the crate needs to be appropriately sized to discourage peeing, but he doesn't care. I trained my last husky to be in the crate and he loved it. With Link I did the same thing and failed, so I tried again and again getting slower each time. After months of trying he just can't do it.

TL;DR: My husky is hypersocial, and pees himself in the crate.

Does anyone have tips on how to make him love his crate this far down the road????? And any tips on how to keep him calm when he sees other dogs from afar?
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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:35 pm

For crate training...I would start slowly. First step, all meals and treats in crate with open door. After a week or two of this, then start closing the door. Don't leave her for long, just long enough to finish the food. But...don't open the door until she is quiet and sitting. You can stand in front of the crate, tell her to sit, wait until she does AND she is quiet, start to open the door, if she breaks sit/quiet, shut the door again (a knee works great for this. Then...once you get calm quiet behavior here, gradually increase the time she stays with door shut. With Z'ev, since I had to emergency crate train, I put him in the crate, with a bark collar on him(so as to give me a few seconds of quiet) and me around the corner at the computer (to keep me from dying of boredom Razz ) and a bowl of macaroni and cheese (its what I had on hand) Then...when he was quiet (at first, only seconds, to a minute, making sure I caught a quiet time) he got an elbow of mac and cheese. Gradually over several hours, I increased the time increment, only giving the macaroni when he was quiet. I had to do this while husband wasn't home as he's a big softy and listening to "he doesn't like being in jail" was more than I could bear (I suppose I could have tried lobster tidbits to keep the husband quiet Rolling Eyes ) Z'ev now can stay overnight in his crate, though if I sleep late, he gets anxious, I think - his crate door is wet from saliva.

As for the screaming/pulling etc when seeing another dog, I understand that fully. Ami was like that when we first got him...broke my heart, he so wanted a doggy friend to play with. That got fixed when son got Archer and we were the babysitters for weeks at a time as son was a field engineer. Now...Z'ev also screamed and shrieked on seeing another dog but that was out of fear and "i want to eat you" Aside from the muzzle (which you don't need) the game changer for Z'ev was the use of a can of pet corrector. That stuff is expensive, though and really, is nothing more than a can of compressed air which you can buy at Walmart, stationary stores or multiple places online. The process here is, as soon as you see alerting to another dog, a squirt of compressed air over his head (NOT at his face/eyes, just behind the ears and aimed upwards) This should startle him to focus back on you. Then, pick up your pace a bit, keeping Bozo in a heel close to your body and walk determinedly in the direction you want to go. At first, you may have to use multiple squirts as you pass by and doggy loses his focus again...and again. You can add a command, such as "on by" or whatever appeals to you.

Good luck.

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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:53 pm

Crate training: You could try covering the crate with a blanket. If the dog can see the world around them, they want to interact. If they are in a 'burrow' they are more likely to settle down and relax. Not a solution in and of itself, but it may help in addition to other tactics.

Does your dog get much socialization? Rorschach went NUTS when he saw people or dogs. He'd pull like a steam engine and I was always worried he'd pull so hard he'd hurt himself. He'd also bark a lot, and it honestly sounded like an aggressive bark, but it wasn't. He just wanted to meet new people/dogs and play with them. He was just way too wound up to even try to train proper behavior.

I speculated that the problem was he only had 4 people and 1 dog to interact with. He needed to interact with more people/dogs to understand how to handle it. We started having other dogs over, or taking him to see other dogs at their houses. We had more people interact with him. We started walking him once a week with another person that has 2 dogs. We started taking him to doggy day care twice a week. That gave him enough socialization that he could be calm enough around people/dogs that we could train him how to behave properly. Basically, once the novelty of meeting new dogs/people wore off, we could handle him better.

We started with a dog that you had to physically brace yourself if you saw a person or dog, and you'd have to literally drag him away from the potential social interaction. Now we have a dog that we can walk on hiking trails off leash, and when he spots another dog, he comes back to us without command, sits, and waits for the other dog to pass us.
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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:34 pm

Just be aware that putting a cover on the crate can be a hazard. Both Ami and Z'ev pulled there covers into the crate and destroyed them. Ami's was a huge king bed comforter, have no idea how he managed that. Shredded it. Thinking it might work better, I bought a dedicated crate cover for Z'ev, fitted closely, no loose ends. Same fate. Not a problem if you're dog is not a fabric water, but dangerous if he is.
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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:50 pm

I do have a crate cover for him. I used to use blankets but he did pull them in. As far as other dogs to play and walk with, I am in college living in a place that doesn't allow pets. Since Link is and ESA he is allowed, but there are no other dogs around. The closest dog friend he has is 3 hours away. If you have any other solutions I'd be glad to hear them!
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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:44 pm

Any dog parks? THough I have mixed feelings re dog parks. Maybe find a H2M2 group in NC that has meetups?
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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:07 pm

Doggy daycare?
Pet friendly hiking groups?
Dog meetup groups?
Do you see any regulars during your walks? My wife meets up with another woman that goes walking with her two dogs. They kept seeing each other at the same place/same time and started talking to one another, now they meet up regularly to walk the dogs together.
Crazy sounding craigslist adds about wanting to set up playdates for your dog.
Start a dog walking business.
Find a local shelter that you can volunteer at that will let you bring your dog to play with the other dogs.
Start a D&D or boardgaming group for dog owners.

These may or may not be good ideas...but they are ideas!
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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:03 pm

IF Link's housetraining is good, and he's not a destructive chewing kind of dog, have you considered some kind of gating set-up instead? Although our dog accepted his crate and I trained him to go in when I open the door and point, it always made him a little anxious (he would pant)...we tried gating him in the hall with his bed/water when we go out, and he seems more relaxed that way.

Obedience training seemed to help Rumo with his other-dog craziness (he is pretty aloof towards humans). In class we learned clicker word "Yes" + give tasty treat. Once his response is trained, use it when other dogs are in the distance. Then, decrease distance gradually. Although Rumo is far from perfect (!!) at least now when another dog is lunging/barking from across the street, I can say "Yes!" and he will turn his head, look at me, and take a treat. Just breaking his intense focus on the other dog, helps him to pass more calmly...

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PostSubject: Re: Crate Training Catastrophe   Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:47 am

In terms of creating a "Burrow" for the crate you can still cover it to provide this. I have two pups and one is a bored chewer and will go for the blanket if able. What I've done is using cardboard created a cover (Roof) over the top of the crate. The cardboard over-hangs the edges of the crate on all sides of about 4-6 inches. If you cant locate a box large enough to do this you can duct-tape multiple ones together.

Then drape the blanket/sheet w/e over the top. It should be far enough from the crate walls that the pup cant pull/reach it and the cardboard flat surface on top wont allow them loose fabric to grab a hold of to pull down.

Hope this helps.
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