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PostSubject: Urine pH issues   Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:11 pm

Over the weekend, Kitty started to show signs of having a UTI. I checked her urine pH, and it was very basic, around 8.5. Her usual urine pH is 6.5. Found a vet and made an appointment for today. Was super disappointed that there is no holistic vets by us Sad and I really didnt feel like driving the five hours to go to our old vet.

Urinalysis was inconclusive. It confirmed that the pH was high, but no signs of infection. No white blood cells, no crystals. Vet wants us to lower her protein and up the carbs, then recheck in a month. No antibiotics.

I agree that I need to lower the pH, but I'm not sure if lowering the protein is the way I want to go. Vet community seems to be divided on the issue. Some say lower protein, some say raise it. Does anyone have any opinions or ideas on how to lower the pH? confused I'm open to diet and non diet options.

Kitty has always been on the prey model raw diet. I'd really like to stay with the raw, but want to do whats best.
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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:51 pm

High protein diets can cause issues with the kidney only if the protein source is crappy (ie corn.) It taxes the kidneys. That's the only relation I know of where there's an issue with high protein.

You can try cranberry supplements. That always works for my cats.

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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:56 pm

@arooroomom wrote:
High protein diets can cause issues with the kidney only if the protein source is crappy (ie corn.) It taxes the kidneys. That's the only relation I know of where there's an issue with high protein.

You can try cranberry supplements. That always works for my cats.

Agreed. I would stick with the raw diet, you can't possibly feed any better. Aren't there some holistic supplements also available to help balance pH? I wonder if apple cider vinegar would help?

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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:27 pm

Started adding a cranberry supplement at dinner tonight. Good thought Val with the apple cider vinegar. Think ill start that too.
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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:49 pm

@Lu&Katsmom wrote:
Over the weekend, Kitty started to show signs of having a UTI. I checked her urine pH, and it was very basic, around 8.5. Her usual urine pH is 6.5. Found a vet and made an appointment for today. Was super disappointed that there is no holistic vets by us Sad and I really didnt feel like driving the five hours to go to our old vet.

Urinalysis was inconclusive. It confirmed that the pH was high, but no signs of infection. No white blood cells, no crystals. Vet wants us to lower her protein and up the carbs, then recheck in a month. No antibiotics.

I agree that I need to lower the pH, but I'm not sure if lowering the protein is the way I want to go. Vet community seems to be divided on the issue. Some say lower protein, some say raise it. Does anyone have any opinions or ideas on how to lower the pH? confused I'm open to diet and non diet options.

Kitty has always been on the prey model raw diet. I'd really like to stay with the raw, but want to do whats best.

Apple Cider Vinegar. Cranine can be used also. Its cranberry extract in tablet form. The vet should be able to get it for you.Shiya had a UTI and struvite crystals. There's also Metigel. I REFUSE to feed her Science Diet c/d!! No way. My views on lower or higher protein are undecided as are vets and other animal. I would rather lower her PH by supplements then by Science Diet. Cranberry not only helps PH but can also prevent UTI by keeping the e-coli bacteria from adhering to the urinary tract walls. So far so good with just one Cranine a day and about a tblespoon of ACV in her food.
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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:07 pm

Is a cranberry supplement safe for long term use? Or should it ideally be used short term/intermittently?

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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:02 pm

@Huskyluv wrote:
Is a cranberry supplement safe for long term use? Or should it ideally be used short term/intermittently?

It is a supplement to support urinary tract health. So I would think so. Its made by Nutramax Labs(same maker of Cosequin and Dasaquin). There's no evidence of side effects or drug interaction with them taking it. Especially for canine. For more info its www.nutramaxlabs.com. Hope that helps??
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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:16 am

Thanks for that added info, Jenifer. Do you know about cranberry in general? I know there are a lot more/different cranberry supplements out there. I might have to do a bit more research on the subject when I have some free time.

I can't find an ingredient list for the Crananidin that you mentioned though. Do you have a copy of the ingredients by chance?

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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:04 pm

@Huskyluv wrote:
Thanks for that added info, Jenifer. Do you know about cranberry in general? I know there are a lot more/different cranberry supplements out there. I might have to do a bit more research on the subject when I have some free time.

I can't find an ingredient list for the Crananidin that you mentioned though. Do you have a copy of the ingredients by chance?
I do but its at home. I will check it when I get there and let you know. Seems to me there was only maybe 2 or 3 things listed on the label. I'm pretty anal about anything I give Shiya. I have to be watchful because of her seizure meds and don't need any complications from interactions! My poor girl and I have had an extremely difficult time in these last well almost a yr now! First seizure was Jan 9th, 2010. So I am mindful of everything! Crananidins claim to fame is that it is the only supplement that actually keeps bacteria(e-coli) from adhering to the urinary tract lining. As my vets(yes plural we have 3) explained that e-coli under the microscope has these ugly horned looking hooks and those are what makes it able to adhere to the tissue. I much prefer using the Cranberry supplements and I add apple cider vinegar to her food as well as an alternative to Science Diet c/d expensive corn in a bag!! lol! Methigel(rx) is also something we use for short term urine acidfication but its only used for 5 days usually during a UTI. That stuff STINKS!! Its pretty gross. I usually have to put it on a piece of jerky or treat as opposed to applying it above their lip. Kinda reminds me of Femalt for cats but smells like garbage!
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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:09 pm

Valerie I just found this online for you.

Cranberry Extract (Vaccinium macrocarpon)

93 mg

Other Ingredients: Mannitol, natural liver flavor, magnesium stearate, and sucralose.
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PostSubject: Re: Urine pH issues   Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:11 pm

Thanks a bunch for the information Jenifer!

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