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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:42 pm

I find it cheaper to make my own chicken jerk also I know what my pups are getting..

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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:44 pm

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I find it cheaper to make my own chicken jerk also I know what my pups are getting..


Buying a dehydrator is one of the best things I've ever done Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:52 pm

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ljelgin wrote:
I find it cheaper to make my own chicken jerk also I know what my pups are getting..


Buying a dehydrator is one of the best things I've ever done Cool


We have had a dehyrator for years my husband used to make his own jerky.

When you consider the cost of a 16 oz bag of dog jerky costs about 15 - 18 dollars. i can get 3 lbs of chicken for about 8.00 or less. It just takes time to make it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:03 pm

Who knew wed be trying to defend the chicken jerky recalls!! Lol if you want to feed them, feed them. Many customers at work have bad issues with those treats. We have quite a few who feed them on a daily basis. China doesn't regulate as much as we do, especially for things that aren't even for human consumption. And just to make that even more clear, there are problems arising from food for humans being imported from China now.

I make my own and my favorites are made from ground meat, pumpkin, and coconut oil on a pan in the oven for a few hours. That or for good treats ill give them a raw rib or we just got in trachea that they love.

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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:07 pm

ljelgin wrote:
Heather! wrote:
ljelgin wrote:
I find it cheaper to make my own chicken jerk also I know what my pups are getting..


Buying a dehydrator is one of the best things I've ever done Cool


We have had a dehyrator for years my husband used to make his own jerky.

When you consider the cost of a 16 oz bag of dog jerky costs about 15 - 18 dollars. i can get 3 lbs of chicken for about 8.00 or less. It just takes time to make it.

is it safe to feed your dog regular cooked chicken or does it have to be dehydrated?
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:10 pm

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ljelgin wrote:
Heather! wrote:
ljelgin wrote:
I find it cheaper to make my own chicken jerk also I know what my pups are getting..


Buying a dehydrator is one of the best things I've ever done Cool


We have had a dehyrator for years my husband used to make his own jerky.

When you consider the cost of a 16 oz bag of dog jerky costs about 15 - 18 dollars. i can get 3 lbs of chicken for about 8.00 or less. It just takes time to make it.

is it safe to feed your dog regular cooked chicken or does it have to be dehydrated?

Regular is fine as long as it's boneless.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:20 pm

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I work in a vet hospital, and so far there have been at least a dozen dogs come in with severe diarrhea and high kidney values that both doctors have associated with chicken jerky (only) made and sourced in China. Thankfully, all cases were caught in time and they all lived, but one is still having kidney issues (she is a young dog). The general public is not released any information regarding severe illness from treats associated from China because of Dr/Client/Pt privacy laws. There are only certain things that I am legally allowed to disclose. There were several significant recalls on several Chicken jerky products that, to my knowledge, are still in effect.

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Are you sure your dog didn't eat some grass (or that toad in the planter, lol) that gave her a loose stool?


Consumption of grass (and licking toads) do not cause diarrhea, lethargy, or high kidney and/or liver values. Eating too much grass can cause vomiting, rarely diarrhea. Just as a FYI.


Unless you can tell us a mechanism or substance in this chicken jerky that causes high kidney values, you have told me nothing. What is in Chinese made jerkey that isn't in US made jerky that harms dogs? Name the material. So far, no one can, it is all rumor and somebodys sisters neighbors dog. Where is the causality?
The FDA has tested this stuff extensively and found nothing in the jerkey that wasn't on the label with one exception in 2007. They have inspected the plants and found nothing. Where is the causality? I don't act on rumors. Give me hard data.

I told you plenty, actually I told you more than I am legally bound to say. If you didn't find my (or anyone else's) responses valid, instead of making snarky comments, why don't you call your local vet to get more insight.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:00 pm

Dude is ignorant. He got his opinions he asked for, refuted them, he can do what he wants and that's on him. No use trying to help people who obviously don't want it... even though they asked.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:10 pm

Edit - didn't see there was a second page of comments.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:22 pm

I don't see why the FDA would recall the treats if the company is doing that itself? I didn't realize that the FDA was involved in dog food/treats at all? Or am I wrong?
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:26 pm

For the person who wanted an ingredient that was causing pets to fall ill from treats made in China:

Phorate, a highly toxic pesticide, was the ingredient that the FDA found in contaminated treats made by certain manufacturers in China. Test results on sick dogs show kidney problems similar to the symptoms of Fanconi syndrome. Most dogs recover, but there have been some deaths related to the treats made in China that have been contaminated with Phorate. Symptoms may show up within hours or days after a treat is eaten and include decreased appetite, vomiting, diarrhea, lethargy, and increased thirst and urination.


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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:42 am

Thank you Claudia, for that tidbit of info. Makes sense why the Chinese use Phorate since I shudder to think of what their food handling standards are for the making of pet treats.


Remember the baby formula scandal a few years back with the fake boost of protein. Melamine the same stuff I use to eat my dinner off of (plates). Brought to you by China.





(Just for the record my wife is 1/2 Chinese and she won't trust anything from there.) Her best half is Filipina. Wink


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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:46 pm

We use train-me treats. They are all natural and pet-supplies plus recommenced them. Does anyone else use these??
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:58 am

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We use train-me treats. They are all natural and pet-supplies plus recommenced them. Does anyone else use these??

Crazy Pet Train-Me Chicken Flavored Training Reward Dog Treats
16 oz.; Chicken
Pork Liver, Corn Meal, Canola Meal, Wheat Bran, Glycerol, Brown Rice, Lard, Sucrose, Corn Starch, Mustard, Artificial Chicken Flavoring, Rosemary, Flax Seed, Phosphoric Acid, Garlic Salt, Iron Oxide, Potassium Sorbate, Calcium Propionate, Citric Acid.

If these are the ones you are referring to, I, personally, wouldn't. Corn meal, canola meal, wheat bran brown rice, lard are ingredients I stay away from as Ginger is my sensitive girl, and not the best ingredients.

My treats are freeze dried or dehydrated and usually 1 or 2 ingredients.

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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:13 am

For those looking for an easy treat... I use 1lb of ground turkey and about half a can of pumpkin. Sometimes ill throw in yogurt too, or whatever else i have around. Kick the oven up high and turn the fan on as well. Crack the door open about 1-2 inches and cook for a few,hours until hard- taking them out when they're just starting to turn to make cuts so they're easy to break evenly. They make nice cracker type treats which the dogs love. They also absorb quickly so I use it for heartworm meds. Costs like $3/4 to make.

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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:16 am

I bought a dehydrator for 40 bucks at Costco. It's really fun to make jerky and other stuff, and super easy. I bet you could make little tiny treats for training, that way you know it's one ingredient: meat! And just ziplock it up. I'm sure the oven works too, but takes out some of the nutritional value? I think..
Since your puppy is 8 weeks, and you're probably doing a lot if training, you can also just feed regular kibble for training and subtract it from his regular food, so he's not eating too much. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong Smile

edit- Kristina, that's a cool recipe, I'm going to have to try it Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:20 am

arooroomom wrote:
For those looking for an easy treat... I use 1lb of ground turkey and about half a can of pumpkin. Sometimes ill throw in yogurt too, or whatever else i have around. Kick the oven up high and turn the fan on as well. Crack the door open about 1-2 inches and cook for a few,hours until hard- taking them out when they're just starting to turn to make cuts so they're easy to break evenly. They make nice cracker type treats which the dogs love. They also absorb quickly so I use it for heartworm meds. Costs like $3/4 to make.
Nice!
Do you spread it in a 9x13 baking pan?
Is the oven temp about 400 degrees?

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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:54 am

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akwit09 wrote:
We use train-me treats. They are all natural and pet-supplies plus recommenced them. Does anyone else use these??

Crazy Pet Train-Me Chicken Flavored Training Reward Dog Treats
16 oz.; Chicken
Pork Liver, Corn Meal, Canola Meal, Wheat Bran, Glycerol, Brown Rice, Lard, Sucrose, Corn Starch, Mustard, Artificial Chicken Flavoring, Rosemary, Flax Seed, Phosphoric Acid, Garlic Salt, Iron Oxide, Potassium Sorbate, Calcium Propionate, Citric Acid.

If these are the ones you are referring to, I, personally, wouldn't. Corn meal, canola meal, wheat bran brown rice, lard are ingredients I stay away from as Ginger is my sensitive girl, and not the best ingredients.

My treats are freeze dried or dehydrated and usually 1 or 2 ingredients.

Sorry Claudia I accidentally hit the negative treat. I wasn't trying to give you one, I don't know if you can fix it.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:11 am

Odin will only eat soft treats. Any kind that we can make or buy with a few ingredients that are softer??
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:27 am

akwit09 wrote:
Odin will only eat soft treats. Any kind that we can make or buy with a few ingredients that are softer??

I made some with pumpkin from Gone to the SnowDogs (I think) that appear to be chewy/soft. If I can, I'll look up that recipe for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:40 am

akwit09 wrote:
Odin will only eat soft treats. Any kind that we can make or buy with a few ingredients that are softer??

I like Zukes treats if they agree with your dog.

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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:08 pm

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akwit09 wrote:
Odin will only eat soft treats. Any kind that we can make or buy with a few ingredients that are softer??

I made some with pumpkin from Gone to the SnowDogs (I think) that appear to be chewy/soft. If I can, I'll look up that recipe for you.

That would be great Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Are these good treats?   Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:56 am

Here's a 22 minute clip on why chicken jerky treats made in China are BAD.

Here you go, Rotorhead:

http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-news/chinese-chicken-jerky-treats-video/

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