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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 9:37 pm

So we're back at home.
I went in and turns out the specialist was there, I guess he came up for another dog and decided he wanted to see trillion before operating on her.
So we saw him not our regular vet, he did the sliding drawer test again on her which gave him lots of crying and screaming he then explained that he thinks it's "Panosteitis" (i think that's what he said i don't remember the name exactly) which he said was basically hurting bones from growth and it's a disorder in medium to large breed dogs.

He said her knee does have some jaring but its not sliding as much as it was before/it needs to in order to call for surgery. he said keep her from exercise for another week to possibly two and i can bring her back if shes not better by then (she will be out of pain meds by then)

He said he does recognize some damage in the knee/hip but not enough for surgery.
he said it may just be internal bruising which is causing so much pain.

So we raised all this money...
and we don't even think we need it.
Im just.. I don't know what to say/do.

all three vets confirmed it was a ligament tear, a specialist comes in and says no... it's not.
he also went on about how highly unlikely a 6 month old puppy is to tear the "dog acl"
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 9:41 pm

Pano is basically the equivalent to growing pains. From a friend of mine who breeds and shows Weims:

"Some people refer to it as long bone disease or growing pains, it usually happens in young puppies of larger breeds. It causes painful inflammation in the long bones of the legs. Causes temporary lameness, and will usually switch between legs, so maybe one day the dog will be lame in the left front leg and another in the right. They can also run a fever and have low white blood cell counts. It is very painful, and puppies just look like they feel horrible. The causes of it are not fully known, there is speculation that there is a genetic component, but at this point we don't have a gene or even a general area, to my knowledge. Puppies generally out grow it once their growth plates are sealed.

Really this is a wait it out disease, it's hard to watch a puppy go through it though. "


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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 9:44 pm

yeah that's basicly what the vet said, He said the only thing is that she has had a regular temp both times coming in (this and last time) but i think what points him in the direction of it is the fact that she responded amazingly to the rimadyl.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 9:53 pm

I guess the plus side in all of this is if the specialist is correct (hopefully he knows what he's talking about) then Trillion doesnt need surgery.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 9:53 pm

@pandactivity wrote:


So we raised all this money...
and we don't even think we need it.
Im just.. I don't know what to say/do.

all three vets confirmed it was a ligament tear, a specialist comes in and says no... it's not.
he also went on about how highly unlikely a 6 month old puppy is to tear the "dog acl"

I'd trust the work of the specialist because ...................... thats his specialty.

The money ......................... pay it forward for example to an out fit like: http://www.sos-srf.org/Rescue2010.html

Wishing Trillion a even more rapid recovery.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 9:57 pm

Good new..!!

Pay the money forward to something like Len suggested. maybe wait a couple weeks to insure everthing heals okay.

Hoping for a fast recover.

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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 10:01 pm

I think we will wait for a half week and if we see an improvement then Im going to put out an offer for refunds. and the people who don't come through asking for a refund then ill pay that forward to a rescue or two.


However, Trillion will still be getting surgury soon, she's getting fixed Wink
she thinks she was out of it but shes not! lol (but that will come from our own "trillion fund")

ALSO THIS IS MY 100TH POST!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 10:32 pm

I dont mean to be or sound pessimistic but I don't think its Pano. Pano is mostly categorized by shifting leg lameness. Among other things, we were hoping Rodeo had this instead of neurological issues. In the end it was very bad food intolerances. So we did a lot of research on it...

I would suggest waiting a week or so and seeing how things go. It could just be internal bruising and swelling but I'd rather be safe.

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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 10:33 pm

I guess that's good news, it's weird appeared right at the time of her fall. Guess only time will tell. Wow, what an ordeal you've been through.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 10:35 pm

@arooroomom wrote:
Pano is mostly categorized by shifting leg lameness.

This is something that I read about it that i also don't link to Trillion, It's always been the back right leg that kinda leans wierd, kinda sits weird/hurts/shakes when weight is put on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 10:51 pm

Yea definately wait at least 2 weeks to be positive.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 11:12 pm

That sounds great if she doesn't need leg surgery! Smile

Do you need a place for her to get fixed? There are super affordable places in the Riverside/SB area that I found for someone else.

If anyone wants a refund after a the waiting period (I also think it's prudent to wait!), then I highly recommend some rescues in your area that pulls injured huskies from the highest kill shelters - like Alleys Rescued Angels - http://www.alleysangels.org/ . Or help Joanie Zupan from the Husky/GSD rescue in IL (I posted in the rescue forum about it) that urgently needs help. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 11:37 pm

After this ordeal are you going to look into pet insurance or something of the like?

I would definatelly wait a good couple of weeks, if not up to a month (because I'm that paranoid kind of person) just to be 100% sure the docs arent going to re-diagnose her with something else.
She's seen 3 different doctors and all 3 have had different diagnosises. Whose to say she wont see another one who thinks surgery has to go ahead, or one of them changes their mind (Not that I want that to happen to you's, I dont, but I'm just thinking about all posibilities)?

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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptyFri Jun 22, 2012 11:41 pm

@Freya's Mummy wrote:
After this ordeal are you going to look into pet insurance or something of the like?

I don't know if it's true of a lot of pet insurances - but something to consider is that some/most (all?) may not cover pre-existing medical conditions. So while pet insurance will be great further down the road - if she gets insurance that doesn't cover pre-existing medical conditions and a bit later finds out she in fact does have to have surgery (be it weeks/months/years) and the surgery is linked to whatever has been wrong with her now - it won't cover it.

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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 12:17 am

We plan on getting pet insurance but as Niraya said they may not cover the sugary.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 12:31 am

Almost all pet insurances in the U.S. Will not cover it because it's a preexisting condition ( I know this because we just purchased insurance yesterday and I called 8 bajillion places). However, that isn't to say it could help you in the long run.

Regardless, and in my opinion, I would go to a different specialist. I don't trust this diagnosis.

But, that's just me.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 12:36 am

mheath0429 wrote:
Almost all pet insurances in the U.S. Will not cover it because it's a preexisting condition ( I know this because we just purchased insurance yesterday and I called 8 bajillion places). However, that isn't to say it could help you in the long run.

Regardless, and in my opinion, I would go to a different specialist. I don't trust this diagnosis.

But, that's just me.

Ill have a talk with my boyfriend, im sure he would opt. for a fourth opinion as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 12:38 am

Only because you have had such a back and forth diagnosis. Better to be safe than sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 12:45 am

The more doctors and second, third and fourth etc opinions you get the more complicated and differing diagnosis you will get. That's the downside to getting those other opinions.

Honestly - I'd find a veterinary clinic that is a member of AAHA and specialist and go to them for a final say.

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@Niraya wrote:
The more doctors and second, third and fourth etc opinions you get the more complicated and differing diagnosis you will get. That's the downside to getting those other opinions.

Honestly - I'd find a veterinary clinic that is a member of AAHA and specialist and go to them for a final say.

Good advice, Thanks!
He has agreed upon getting a fourth opinion. but we will look for those quality's in the next place we go!
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 1:24 am

At least everything else will be covered though. A surgery or further treatment/medication etc may not be for this injury, but everything else will be hopefully.
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It's worth it. We got trupanion. Best one, in my opinion.
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I signed Freya up for the RSPCA (Australian version of ASPCA) pet insurance last week and 10% of everything I pay goes to help stop animal cruelty.

I hope I never have to claim, but if I do I know that I'll get up to 80% of the bill back.
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PostSubject: Re: Trillion's knee post.   Trillion's knee post. - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 23, 2012 9:46 am

I would hold the money for a little while. Then if you can't give it back tot he donors, look for a really worthy cause.
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@Balonsmom wrote:
I would hold the money for a little while. Then if you can't give it back tot he donors, look for a really worthy cause.

We are going to hold off, just in case
(Unless the donors would like their money now they can request so.)
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