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blueeyedghost Maverick
Join date : 2011-07-01 Location : Denver, CO
| Subject: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:50 pm | |
| Food for thought on how you react to your dog's behavior:
http://news.medill.northwestern.edu/chicago/news.aspx?id=124687 _________________ Shadow's Blog Canine Hydrocephalus Support on Facebook "Being the parent of a special-needs pet means living your life constantly poised on the edge of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you become a fierce defender of the ways in which your little one is perfectly ordinary — all the things he or she can do that are just like what everybody else does. And yet, you never lose sight of how absolutely extraordinary that very ordinariness is, how difficult, remarkable and rewarding that fight to be 'just like everybody else' has been." -Gwen Cooper, "Homer's Odyssey" Shadow - 03/01/2013 - 10/02/2014 |
| | | seattlesibe Senior
Join date : 2013-02-05 Location : seattle, wa
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:12 pm | |
| Thanks for the post.
That seems to fit in with the basic idea that our dogs tend to imitate our input to them. When loud, frantic, or unstable people interact with Link he gets visibly anxious because he never gets that type of energy from us. My partner and I are relatively quiet, calm people.
Human anxiety, fear, or instability can also promote aggression in their dogs as well. It's not only human aggression that promotes dog aggression. |
| | | wpskier222 Senior
Join date : 2013-02-11 Location : NYC
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:29 pm | |
| It's interesting they mention tug and how to play it safely. I have been wondering lately if tug might create bite inhibition issues. I don't think it creates aggression, but just a hard mouth vs. a soft mouth kind of thing. Any thoughts? |
| | | blueeyedghost Maverick
Join date : 2011-07-01 Location : Denver, CO
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:31 pm | |
| - seattlesibe wrote:
- Thanks for the post.
That seems to fit in with the basic idea that our dogs tend to imitate our input to them. When loud, frantic, or unstable people interact with Link he gets visibly anxious because he never gets that type of energy from us. My partner and I are relatively quiet, calm people.
Human anxiety, fear, or instability can also promote aggression in their dogs as well. It's not only human aggression that promotes dog aggression. You're welcome, and I completely agree with you. We're lucky that we got such a chill dog with a wonderful temperament with Ghost, but this is pretty evident with Lulu and her behavioral issues. It's pretty much a guarantee that she was mistreated if not abused before Aaron took her in, and he would always yell at her if she did something bad. He always claimed that's how she responded best. We wound up with a very maladjusted and fear-aggressive dog on our hands, who honestly could be on a bad episode of Dog Whisperer. We found an awesome behaviorist up here in Maryland, who preaches "move slower, and lower not louder" when dealing with dogs. Just reinforcing that with us as the trainers has helped Lulu a lot, and the fear-aggression has abated a fair amount. _________________ Shadow's Blog Canine Hydrocephalus Support on Facebook "Being the parent of a special-needs pet means living your life constantly poised on the edge of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you become a fierce defender of the ways in which your little one is perfectly ordinary — all the things he or she can do that are just like what everybody else does. And yet, you never lose sight of how absolutely extraordinary that very ordinariness is, how difficult, remarkable and rewarding that fight to be 'just like everybody else' has been." -Gwen Cooper, "Homer's Odyssey" Shadow - 03/01/2013 - 10/02/2014 |
| | | seattlesibe Senior
Join date : 2013-02-05 Location : seattle, wa
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:34 pm | |
| Do you mean playing tug-of-war with a rope toy of sorts? I've always bought into the idea that this should be avoided UNTIL your dog knows the "release" or "leave it" or "easy" commands. My pup know these but I have yet to begin playing tug-of-war as he is currently going through a spurt where is he pushing limits a little bit and seeing what he can get away with. Just my anecdotal story |
| | | seattlesibe Senior
Join date : 2013-02-05 Location : seattle, wa
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:36 pm | |
| I'm always amazed at the people who do nothing but yell and scream at their dogs and then shockingly, when their dog is constantly misbehaving and never being calm or polite they shout "I don't know why he's like this...."
I'm always going...."really? because I sure as heck do." |
| | | wpskier222 Senior
Join date : 2013-02-11 Location : NYC
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:40 pm | |
| - seattlesibe wrote:
- Do you mean playing tug-of-war with a rope toy of sorts? I've always bought into the idea that this should be avoided UNTIL your dog knows the "release" or "leave it" or "easy" commands. My pup know these but I have yet to begin playing tug-of-war as he is currently going through a spurt where is he pushing limits a little bit and seeing what he can get away with.
Just my anecdotal story Yes exactly. Even at 4 weeks, when I visited my guy, he seemed to think grabbing onto anything and pulling was just the most awesome thing ever! That makes sense about teaching 'leave it' and 'easy' first, before attempting to play tug, and, I definitely plan to do that, but have been debating about tug and weather or not it would desensitize his mouth and cause a back slide in bite inhibition. |
| | | wpskier222 Senior
Join date : 2013-02-11 Location : NYC
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:41 pm | |
| - seattlesibe wrote:
- I'm always amazed at the people who do nothing but yell and scream at their dogs and then shockingly, when their dog is constantly misbehaving and never being calm or polite they shout "I don't know why he's like this...."
I'm always going...."really? because I sure as heck do." Yes, reminds me of people that yell and scream at their kids, and then are shocked with the kid throws a screaming fit in public. |
| | | seattlesibe Senior
Join date : 2013-02-05 Location : seattle, wa
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:42 pm | |
| Hmm, good question. I wouldn't know from experience but it does seem that bite inhibition could be reinforced with "easy" (this I know from experience) and that tug-of-war is kinda the opposite of "easy." |
| | | wpskier222 Senior
Join date : 2013-02-11 Location : NYC
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:46 pm | |
| True. I'm glad you're a couple months ahead of me with Link lol... |
| | | blueeyedghost Maverick
Join date : 2011-07-01 Location : Denver, CO
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:53 pm | |
| We haven't seen any issues with bite inhibition vs tug of war with Ghost, but we also didn't play it a whole lot with her when she was a puppy. We did, however, teach her "gentle", and that has helped a lot.
_________________ Shadow's Blog Canine Hydrocephalus Support on Facebook "Being the parent of a special-needs pet means living your life constantly poised on the edge of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you become a fierce defender of the ways in which your little one is perfectly ordinary — all the things he or she can do that are just like what everybody else does. And yet, you never lose sight of how absolutely extraordinary that very ordinariness is, how difficult, remarkable and rewarding that fight to be 'just like everybody else' has been." -Gwen Cooper, "Homer's Odyssey" Shadow - 03/01/2013 - 10/02/2014 |
| | | seattlesibe Senior
Join date : 2013-02-05 Location : seattle, wa
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:04 pm | |
| But "gentle" was first, right? Fits in to your link above perfectly. Treat your dog how you want your dog to treat you and others. I suspect dogs who never learn "gentle" are rarely gentle |
| | | blueeyedghost Maverick
Join date : 2011-07-01 Location : Denver, CO
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:52 pm | |
| Yeah, gentle and leave it were some of the first things Ghost learned. It's actually one of the few things that Lulu knows well too, and that is thanks to Aaron. _________________ Shadow's Blog Canine Hydrocephalus Support on Facebook "Being the parent of a special-needs pet means living your life constantly poised on the edge of a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you become a fierce defender of the ways in which your little one is perfectly ordinary — all the things he or she can do that are just like what everybody else does. And yet, you never lose sight of how absolutely extraordinary that very ordinariness is, how difficult, remarkable and rewarding that fight to be 'just like everybody else' has been." -Gwen Cooper, "Homer's Odyssey" Shadow - 03/01/2013 - 10/02/2014 |
| | | Kyle Derek Newborn
Join date : 2013-04-11 Location : Jacksonville, FL
| Subject: Re: Training techniques vs. aggression Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:29 pm | |
| Franco seems to be completely oblivious to mos things that I say when it comes to him biting. I've tried the small hurt voice, the stern NO, and replacing what hes biting with a toy or something that he is allowed to chew on. None of this has helped thus far. He still bites. So getting him to be easy, let go, gentle, or leave it is last on my list of things to teach him. Although, he has learned sit, lay down, and shake...he tries to do all three to get a treat faster...he's pretty smart, just super headstrong. I'm at a bit of a loss when it comes to what to do with the biting and chewing. He is now 11.5 weeks. |
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