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PostSubject: Needing advise on behavior   Sat May 16, 2015 4:37 pm

I have recently adopted a 3 year old male Siberian husky. He is not my first Siberian husky but he is the first one i've had that as soon as i leave the house even if its just for 30 minutes he will go in to my kids room and pull all of my 7 year old daughters bedding off of her bed to pee on them and only hers. Not sure why he is doing this or how to get him to stop. I am really needing advise. Please and Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sat May 16, 2015 6:36 pm

Sounds like Mr. Dog needs to be crated until he learns some manners. I had a female, oh 40 years ago or so, who on 2 occasions did the pee on our bed when we left the house. Usually, she just tore into the garbage, strewed around the kitchen, tore up the cardboard and then went to sleep on the couch for the rest of the time - we only found this out once when I forgot my pocketbook and went back about 5 minutes after I left - garbage thing was done and she was on the couch - right where she usually was once we returned home. At the time, we just left a "loaded" trash can with stuff she could get into without making a mess or hurting herself.

In retrospect, it was probably a manisfestation of separtion anxiety. Had I known about crates then (did they even HAVE them back then in the stone age?) I would have used one.

As far as your daughters bed - there are many enzyme cleaners that members here swear by to remove the scent so thoroughly the dogs don't continue to pee in the same spot.

One last thought - is he neutered?
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sat May 16, 2015 6:40 pm

I just reread your post - is he peeing on the bedding only not the mattress? He probably originally was prompted to mark by some scent now its become either a habit or a response to separtion anxiety. Have you tried either blocking entry to that room (shut the door, gate etc) or, gathering up the bedding before you leave and, oh, stuff it in a closet or the dryer - somewhere he can't get at it? Does he mark anywhere else in the house while you're home?
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 1:28 am

He hasn't peed on her bed he will just drag everything off of it and pee on it and he has pooped right in front of her bed 3 times. I did the cleaning it with enzymatic and he didn't pee in there today; instead he got up on my couch and peed there!!!! The reason I didn't crate him is because the person we adopted him from had him in a crate most of the time with another Siberian husky in the same crate... they were in the crate during the day while she was gone and all night and i didn't want to lock him up in a crate but im starting to think that's what i am going to have to do. I have only had him for 2-3 weeks.
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 1:34 am

Sorry just read the last part of your post. He is not neutered because they also had a female and they had mated them once and are wanting to mate them again.
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 2:03 am

@Bonnie Fanning wrote:
Sorry just read the last part of your post. He is not neutered because they also had a female and they had mated them once and are wanting to mate them again.
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 2:11 am

Ugh, being that he is not neutered he will want to mark everything. That's my total knowledge on males. Haha, I would like to encourage you to get him fixed and discourage you on having him mate again. I am sorry if it sounds mean, but there are already enough unwanted huskies in the world, another litter is just not needed. Are these people who had them friends of yours? I am not going to go into huge detail on getting him neutered, but unless they are top quality show or racing dogs that have won many awards and that have been hip and eye tested through SHCA standards, they should not be bred. I'm guessing they are not since they kenneled 2 dogs together in a crate that was probably meant for one dog.

I agree with Amy, using a crate will curb his desire to mark, since he shouldn't want to mark his own space. Also many/most huskies can not handle total freedom, and need the crate so they do not destroy your things and possibly harm themselves.
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 11:28 am

We actually got him from a family member. When we got him she said when she had mated them all puppies were spoken for and then some so she wants to mate them again in the near future. I dont know about the female but i do know he he has been tested. This is his 3rd home his first home was with a couple who lived in the out in the country and went through all this testing to make sure everything was good with him and then he got hit by a car and broke his left hip. After that they didnt want him anymore so they gave him up to a cousin. And everything was great until he mated with her female. Then he became "alpha male". the main thing im trying to show him is love because he went from being free to getting hit by a car to spending most of his time in a kennel. when my cousin first got him he weighed 70-75 lbs when i got him he barely weighed 35 and my cousin only had him for 2 1/2 - 3 months
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 12:38 pm

Renee, and you think that neutered males don't try to mark everything? I've seen Avalanche go to the point that he lifts his leg and there's nothing there anymore ... he's watered every tree (what trees??), bush and clump of grass that he can find. But since we have coyotes in the area, I'll let him mark his territory!

Bonnie, while this guy has had a rough start to his life, there is such a thing as "too much love", "too much freedom". Your parents, I'm quite sure, didn't let you do everything you wanted, when you wanted and I doubt that you'll deny they loved you. They placed limits on what you could do and when you could do the things of which they approved.
That's what you need to do for him. If he's been crated before then it should be no new experience, just make sure that he's not crated all the time and that he has freedom when he can be under your control.
If you're not home and he's shown that he's not to be trusted yet, then he should be crated for you peace of mind and for his safety. While you suggest that the only things he's done is pee (mark) around a bit - that's too much; it's enough that you come here to ask what you should do, no?
I have a multitude of questions but don't want to intrude on your privacy so I won't ask them ... but I'll suggest that you might want to provide more "background information" to help us to help you.
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 4:00 pm

what kind of background information do you need I will answer what I can. I'm not understanding why im having these problems. Hes not the first Siberian husky i've owned. My parents had one when i was a kid but he was an outside dog. I refuse to make a dog live outside! Then I had a cinnamon Siberian husky before and never had any problems like this out of him just normal husky behaviors... Escaping and thing like that but never marking or anything like that so it is very frustrating. I was not trying to seem like i was disagreeing with crating him. I was just saying why I wasn't crating him from the beginning. After reading the comments this morning I put his food bowl, water bowl, and put a chew bone in the bathroom and locked him up in there so i could go get him a crate. I came back to a hole in my bathroom door, pee all over, he picked up his food bowl and dumped it into his pee. But i now have a crate and will be trying that
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 4:38 pm

@Bonnie Fanning wrote:
what kind of background information do you need I will answer what I can. I'm not understanding why im having these problems. Hes not the first Siberian husky i've owned. My parents had one when i was a kid but he was an outside dog. I refuse to make a dog live outside! Then I had a cinnamon Siberian husky before and never had any problems like this out of him just normal husky behaviors... Escaping and thing like that but never marking or anything like that so it is  very frustrating. I was not trying to seem like i was disagreeing with crating him. I was just saying why I wasn't crating him from the beginning. After reading the comments this morning I put his food bowl, water bowl, and put a chew bone in the bathroom and locked him up in there so i could go get him a crate. I came back to a hole in my bathroom door, pee all over, he picked up his food bowl and dumped it into his pee. But i now have a crate and will be trying that




Oh my.  The joys of a newly adopted husky Shocked   I think it is safe to say, he most likely had little training prior to your adoption.  The crate is the first step.  There is a thread on here "what has your husky destroyed or most expensive...I can't find it at the moment.  SUffice it to say - you are not alone.  

My boy was neutered by the shelter at 12 mos of age.  When we got him, one of the volunteers told me we would initially have a marking problem.  He used to mark every lamp post in the park and every tree within 2 miles of the house.  At first, he was outdoors only during the day and crated at night in an outbuilding.  There was lots of free space in that building and that is where I used to play with him off leash - the first time he started to mark something, it was my husband's motorcycle.  I saw him start to lift his leg and pure reflex:  I screamed my head off in a huge No-no-no.  Poor boy - he has not marked in that building since and never in the house (he now comes and goes inside the house/outside as he pleases, we have an invisible fence and a "doggie" doorbell) and nowhere else inappropriately.  Five to 6 months post neuter, his marking of trees etc diminished significantly - though if we are in a totally new place (trip, hiking) he marks occasionally but nowhere like he did the first few months.

While Al still has a "marker" post neuter and there is another woman on here who struggles with an inside peeing guy (but he is just under a year and only recently neutered) I really do believe neutering will help in the long run.  

In the short run, when you are out of the house, crate him.  Also, use carabiners on all the crate joints and on the door (hint from a volunteer at the shelter) (and be aware - they can still sometimes get to stuff near the crate - how I don't know but Ami dragged in a whole king-sized sheet and shredded it at my son's house.)  I also kept the crate covered on top and 3 sides to simulate a "den" for seclusion.  There is lots of info on here about crate training.

And - when you are home, if he pees/poops in your presence - keep him tethered to you.  When he can't be tethered to you, crate him until he learns some manners.  This isn't punitive, it is to give him the best chance of becoming socially acceptable so he does not get bounced from home to home as everyone gets frustrated with his mess.  I'm wondering how much freedom he has had - your making a pet of him may be a first.

Good luck - sounds like you have your work cut out for you.  It will be worth it - almost 2 years later, Ami is a joy (except husband just came in from mowing and I now have another cavern to fill in the front lawn, Archer is visiting and the two of them
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 4:58 pm

Bonnie, what you don't say - and possibly don't know - is how he was and was behaving before he was hit and how he was behaving when he wasn't crated by the second couple (okay, alpha male but that can cover a lot of territory).  One of the things I've found over the years is that dogs don't like change; they may tolerate it if "their human" comes along, but when it's new people, new places, new rules - they really do not know how to act, so they tend to act out.

Your pup is exhibiting all the classical signs of separation anxiety.  Considering that he's now in a new place, new people, etc that's really not a surprise.  There are many, many threads here on how to deal with separation anxiety so I'll let you look and ask any questions you may have (hoping Renee and Amy will chime back in).

To stress the obvious, Husky's are different - very different from other dogs in general and also different from other Husky's - so the fact that you've been owned by Husky's before is a help but this one  (sorry, does he have a name?) is really, in my mind, displaying signs of confusion that he doesn't know how to work out.

the Crate can be a very useful tool, but read around here to make sure you know what you're doing with it or he may become more upset (out of control) than he is now.  You really need to make the effort into making him feel safe and comfortable in his crate.  The last thing you want to do, especially given his past experience with crating, is to "shove him in" and hope for the best.  

Background information that would help:
  • You don't want him as an outside dog because (a) you're afraid he'll escape (b) it's too cold (c) it's too hot (d) you want a family pet.
  • We indicates a family.  Are you a stay at home mom who can dedicate a lot of time to him?
  • They (previous owners) had him outside, seems to indicate a rural area <???>  If you are a family, are you all active outside?  That's, of course, beneficial to all involved.
  • What do you do to correct his marking (and other) behaviour?  What do the others do?


Maybe I'm being too intrusive with my questions, pick and choose which, if any, you feel comfortable with answering.
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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Sun May 17, 2015 5:13 pm

Al triggers a thought - when we first got Ami, we put up a 100 ft overhead trolley between 2 trees. I'm stay at home housewife (or "estate manager" as husband calls me. That means I do all the dirty work lol! ) and so had plenty of time to spend with Mr. Dog during the day - to make up for being outside, he was walked 3 miles in the morning, 2 at night, multiple play times throughout the day (though be careful - one time he managed to get his line wrapped around my throat and was leaping and running for a ball - thought I was a gonner affraid ) Was also fenced in private backyard in the middle of nowhere so I didn't have to worry - much- about theft or other nastiness.)

That could be a possibility, depending on your circumstances - Ami was thrilled to be outside with that much line. We put a 30 ft tether on the trolley, he had brush to the west to bury his treasures in, big pine trees to sack out under - and dig holes around the roots to lie down in, he could watch birds and squirrels and deer, he could run and leap (before he was a month in local animal shelter with 6 ft kennel, before being seized, he was on very short leash to a telephone pole in full sun and not fed regularly.

I used to crawl in the crate and hand feed the boy treats at night - it's an extra large crate.

I know you said you didn't want him outside all the time but my experience is that he loved being out on his line. Now that he has free run, he really only comes in for his meals and when I put him to bed (no longer crated, he sleeps on a "bedroll" in the laundry room next to our bedroom). Usually I have to lure him in the house with treats. These days, if he's not playing with Archer, he's usually sacked out on the front steps. Leaning against the front door. And yes, if he looks really comfortable, I go out the back door and walk around Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Needing advise on behavior   Mon May 18, 2015 4:00 am

Al, I do not have a lot of experience with male dogs, as I said I do know it is a far worse problem of unaltered males to mark than neutered. My experience our male gsd growing up, after neutered, never marked, to be honest, he would pee like a girl, he was a squatter, lol. The other male is an unaltered husky, Miya's boyfriend and he marks everywhere, however, he will not mark inside a house.I agree with you and Amy this is a behavior/training issue. Completely beyond my realm, except to advise using crate when OP is not home and tether him to OP when she is home. Training through praise would be beneficial to the dog, I imagine he has had little of either, and telling him he is a good boy for doing good things and my "famous" shoulder rub will form a much needed bond between Op and her new dog. separation anxiety, yes Al, I think it is a possibility, forming a bond through basic training, and positive reinforcement training should go a long way. I also agree with Amy, he may be missing the outdoors some. I have to ask what type of exercise are you giving your new boy?
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