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PostSubject: So you want to BE a breeder?   Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:39 pm

ATTENTION ALL NOVICE POTENTIAL BREEDERS!!!!!

SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER?
- Breeding the female

So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything goes right. Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will lovingly nurse them and care for them until they are old enough to be weaned.

You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these little dolls, and then when the time is right they will all (or maybe you keep just one) go off to special homes to live out their lives as cherished companions. But have you given consideration to what if something goeswrong? I have listed here a few of the problems that I myself have personal knowledge of. Everything listed has happened either to me or someone I know. These are not isolated incidents. I'm sure other breeders could add miles to my list. Learn by others mistakes!. Let the breeding up to those who know what they are doing, have the experience, know what to expect.

WHAT IF DURING THE BREEDING


1. The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it to your female. She not only doesn't conceive but you have to pay the vet bills to get her infection cleared up and she is now sterile.
2. The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.
3. Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo mutt chosen for her without her consent. She snaps at him catching her tooth on his loose cheek and rips it open sending blood flying everywhere. He retaliates by sinking his teeth into her left eye.
4. You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going very swiftly. In fact , it's been three hours and nothing is happening. The stud owners leave the two dogs alone in the back yard. The dogs get out through a tiny hole in the fence and a truck hits your female.
5. You pay the $250-$1000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and more back when the pups sell. The breeder guarantees the stud service to work or you can come back again. After 2 months you discover it didn't work and now must wait another 4 months to try again. Of course it doesn't work again, so in another 4 months you take your dog to another male and risk loosing another stud fee.
6. You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out she is still in heat and still receptive to males. You hear a commotion outside there is your girl tied up with the neighborhood mutt. when she whelps there will need to be DNA tests done on the pups.
7. You get her bred. Bring her home and let her out. (She is still in heat and receptive to other males) but you do not see the neighborhood mutt breed her. The pups are born but look odd. You call the stud owner he suggests DNA testing (At your expense). You have a litter of mutts! What do you do about the ones you have already sold?
8. Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to terminate the pregnancy and try again being more careful next time. But a few weeks later your female is very sick because you had her given a miss-mate shot creating a hormonal imbalance causing a uterine infection and now she has Pyometra and needs a complete hysterectomy. All plans of getting a litter is gone and your female's life is now in danger if she does not have the operation.

WHAT IF DURING THE BIRTH

1. The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the puppies die and she becomes infected by the decaying bodies.
2. The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before they can be born.
3. The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female starts screaming, and before you can stop her she reaches around, grabs the puppy in her teeth and yanks it out killing it instantly.
4. A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have to race her to the vet. The vet can't get it out either. She has to have an emergency caesarian section of course it is 3:00 am Christmas day.
5. A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them has burst). It gets stuck. Mom tries to help it out by clamping her teeth over one of the back legs. The head and shoulders are firmly caught. Mom pulls on the leg, hard, peeling the flesh from the leg and leaving a wiggling stump of bone.
6. A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into hard labor. She contracts so hard trying to give birth that her uterus ruptures and she bleeds to death on the way to the vet.

WHAT IF DIRECTLY AFTER THE BIRTH

1. The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out and walks away, leaving them in the sack to drown.
2. The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting droppings and tries to smother them in anything she can find to bury them in.
3. The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and umbilical cord, and rips the cord out leaving a gushing hole pulsing blood all over you as you try in vain to stop the bleeding.
4. Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they are born and you have a box full of tiny, kicking babies with a tangle of guts the size of a walnut hanging from their stomachs. Of course all the babies must be put to sleep.
5. What if because of some Hormone deficiency she turns vicious allowing no one near her or the babies, who she refuses to nurse, or you have to interfere with.
6. You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to pee. You take her to the vet to discover a prolapsed uterus, which needs to be removed.

WHAT IF WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR


1. One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops and death occurs within 36 hours.
2. What if the mother's milk goes bad. You lose three of your four puppies before you discover what is wrong. You end up bottle feeding the remaining pup every two hours, day and night. After three days the puppy fades from infection and dies.
3. The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke and despite your efforts to clear the airway, the pup stiffens and dies in your hands.
4. Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures.
5. Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her temperature soars to 105. You race her to the vet, he determines she must be spayed. He does the spay in an attempt to save her life, you pay the hundreds of dollars bill. The infection has gone into her blood stream. The infected milk kills all the puppies and the bitch succumbs a day later.
6. All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a hormone imbalance. She becomes a fear biter and anytime anyone tries to touch her she viciously attacks them.
7. Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their cutest. However, one day one of the puppies disappears. You search everywhere but you can't find it. A few days later another puppy is gone. And another. You can't figure how on earth the puppies are getting out of their safe 4' x 4' puppy pen. Finally there is only one puppy left. The next morning you find the mother chomping contentedly on what is left of the last murdered puppy.

WHAT IF THE NEW HOMES AREN'T SO HAPPY

1. You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy outside while they go to work. A roving dog comes along and kills the puppy. Your friend calls you up to tell you about the poor little puppy and asks when you are having more puppies.
2. You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask how the puppy is doing. They tell you that it soiled their new carpet so they took it to the pound
3. You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). They make a couple of tiny payments. Six months later they move to an apartment. They ask you to take it back. You take it back and of course the payments stop. The dog they returned is so shy, and ill mannered from lack of socialization and training it takes you a year of work providing socializing and training to be able to give it away.
4. You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the family. At a vet check done by their vet it is determined that the puppy has a heart murmur. (Your vet found nothing when he checked the puppy before it was sold.) They love their puppy and want the best for her. They have an expensive surgery done. The puppy is fine. They sue you for the medical costs. They win, because you did not have a contract stipulating conditions of guarantee and so as breeder you are responsible for the puppy's genetic health.
5. You give a puppy to your mother. She is thrilled. Two years later the puppy starts developing problems. It begins to develop odd symptoms and is suffering. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of tests later it is finally discovered that the dog is suffering from a terminal condition that was inherited. possibly from your female since you know nothing about her family lines.
6. One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants to return the pup and get a full refund, which you have spent on your vet bills.
7. One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has crippling hip dysplasia and want to know what you are going to do about it. You have spayed your female so a replacement is out of the question, looks like another refund.

THE SALE

1. You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and get only 2 responses and no sales. You cut the pup's price in half and broaden your advertising to 3 other newspapers in which the advertising totals $120.00 a week.
2. You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health testing you did before breeding and if the pups are registered. You tell them your dogs are healthy and it was enough and that you could get the papers. The callers politely thank you and hang up.
3. The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating alot and their barking is really beginning to annoy the neighbors who call the police who inform you of the $150.00 noise by-law.
4. Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the care of your dogs. You pass inspection but end up feeling stressed and harassed.
5. You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to pay the $1200.00 advertising bill and the $600.00 vet bill.

So you gotta ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, "breeder?"

-Laura Turner, author
(Reposted from woodhavenlabs.com)

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:35 pm

Ok so the majority of those sound like worst case scenarios. Still interesting nonetheless
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:05 pm

I think that they just point out the dangers of actually birthing puppies and the ENORMOUS responsibility that breeding is. Will all those things happen? No, definitely not. But should you prepared for ANY of those things? Absolutely.

I think the most important part of breeding is what are you contributing to the breed? There are so many homeless animals out there... there's no reason to add to that burden unless you are breeding two mature, health-tested dogs that are nearly perfect examples of the breed for showing and/or racing. My opinion, yes, but one I adhere to rather strongly.... it is an open and free forum though Razz

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:27 am

I completely agree it is the only responsible, ethical way to go about things. And to top that off, I don't think people consider the temperament of their breeding dogs anymore. Temperament is such an important aspect of a well bred dog and it has gone out the window for most people. That just bugs me. It needs to act like a husky, look like a husky, and walk like a husky... Ugh, in my search for a breeder this past year and a half I came across a lady who had pups available. I met the parents and they were such skittish scaredy cats! Huskies are supposed to be outgoing and socialable! The poor puppies were skittish too... When Steven and I picked icon out that was our deciding factor, he was the most outgoing brave puppy out of the litter and has been the best I could have hoped for since:)And he's soo handsome! ( can't tell I'm his mommy can you;))
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:29 pm

I so wish I could print this out and hand it out to the clients at work that tell the vet they want to breed their dog!
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:34 pm

HAHAHA! I love that someone gave me negative treats for that!

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:53 pm

I adopted a dog from the shelter many years ago, and didnt know she was pregnant. I had 30 days to get her spayed, and 2 weeks into that 30 days, she got deathly sick. She started throwing up and acting funny, so I took her to the vet one moring before work, and told them to take care of her, and go ahead and spay her too if they could. Turns out, she was pregnant, and the puppies had died inside of her, and that is what was making her sick. It was a very upsetting situation. She wasnt even a year old, and she was carrying 9 dead puppies. She was spayed, everything removed, and she is fine now. She lives with my step father, and could not be happier. I used to breed working cattle dogs, and some of the things that mothers do, you have to be mentally prepared for. Ive seen them shake the sick ones tll thy are dead, kill the weak ones, and one bitch I had, would shove the weak ones out of the doghouse, and would not lt you even attempt to try and get her to nurse it, while she would happily nurse the rest of the puppies. This stuff really does happen, more often then you might think.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:52 pm

The world of animals is sooo much different than the world of humans. But, then again, I'm rather convinced most of humanity if feral.

Beyond that being a rather scary read, Wink , thank you Koda for taking the time to write it. Most of those could likely be worst case scenarios, but I imagine most "hopeful breeders" don't even have one of those ideas cross their minds. I know mine did not!

I adore our two Sibe puppies, and would otherwise be convinced in a perfect world that they should mate and spread their gorgeous genes. However, a breeder, or a geneticist I am not, and therefore I don't plan to entertain the idea of breeding them.

I had considering allowing the female too...but thanks to your post, I think I will let her be spayed. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:00 pm

Great thread Tori Smile We will probably end up breeding Nova if he does well in confirmation, which he most likely will but only after his OFA and CERF are done Smile
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue May 15, 2012 7:14 pm

Needs a warning label. Definately got a bit sick when reading haha. People always told me to breed kiara. Of corse it's the people who think you just get her pregnant. Have 8 healthy puppies and sell them for 1000$ each and wallah! 8gs just like that! But to breed correctly will yield a small profit, if any and is a HUGE responsibility. It's really scary the lack of knowledge people have about breeding, I hear it said so nonchalant "oh you should breed your dog." clearly you have no idea what all goes into breeding a dog.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue May 15, 2012 7:40 pm

Good post.

When we got Sura my husband wanted to breed her. I scolded him. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:09 am

haha Selene same here with my chocolate lab, she really is a beauty, *but at 55lbs on the small end of the size scale for labs. Everyone says oh my please breed her her pups would be gorgeous. NO WAY! I wouldn't even consider that. Too much work, and too much heartache.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:08 am

Sadly when most people breed they do it because they have a "Purebreed" dog, yet they are not health tested,registered or come with there shots/worming(I know there are few reputable breeders who really are trying to better the breed, I am not talking about these people). Where I live we have a problem with people over breeding Pit Bulls, every other month there is a new litter being advertised on posts hanging in store windows, someone once said, a good reputable breeder will have there puppies sold before they even breed, i could not agree more with that statement. People always tell me I should breed Thunder but it will never happen(He get neutered in two weeks). 1.He is not breed standard nor would breeding him give anything to the breed 2.He is strictly a pet.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:41 pm

No joke man. So many people just think about the money that it's upsetting! Just the other day, some girl was in love with Lycus because he was a husky and she asked me if I was going to breed him. Of course, I said "No, he's neutered." She was so surprised! She even said, " If I had a one, I would breed him. Imagine the money you could make!" Ugh, I just wanted to slap my palm to my face but I didn't. I just let her know that I have no need to breed, I don't know how to, and Lycus is also strictly my pet.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:23 pm

I'll be honest. My fiance and I have talked about possibly breeding our Kota, only if all her genetic testing came back fine, and everything like that but after reading that I may just go get her fixed tomorrow. We didn't want to breed her for a profit, we wanted to breed her of how great her temperament is, an how incredibly intelligent she is. We talked to our vet about it a bit, since I have never actually bred a dog before, but I think I may just give that up. I cannot imagine having to go through any of that!! Thank you so much for the post, even if it did make me a little sick to my stomach. Its an eye opener for sure!
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:30 am

To above post, I know how you feel. That was my same stand (it was an idea/thought) but after reading this post, Im not so sure anymore :/ as far as spaying, I agree with it, I just dont want to do it right now for personal reasons. Thanks for posting. It was an eye opener.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:43 am

@Chiviri's mum wrote:
To above post, I know how you feel. That was my same stand (it was an idea/thought) but after reading this post, Im not so sure anymore :/ as far as spaying, I agree with it, I just dont want to do it right now for personal reasons. Thanks for posting. It was an eye opener.

To whoever gave this person a negative treat, just because you don't agree with what they said, doesn't mean you needed to give them a negative treat. that's not what they're there for.

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:59 pm

LOVE THIS!! although it made me cry a bit. Sad its so sad to know this actually happens out there and the moronic BYB's dont know how to handle these situations. I've been able to convince a handful of people to not breed after listing to them reasons like these.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:42 am

THANK YOU so much for this post. It was very informative, & i learned so much I never knew prior to getting our husky. Of course we got our dog fixed but it was a big debate on whether to do it or not. We just want our dog to be healthy & happy & problem-free, if we didn't get her fixed, she would be at risk to anything & everything. After reading this made me realize how thankful we are to do this for our dog. I knew that being a breeder took a lot of responsibility...but damn. I honestly would have NO clue what to do if i was put in some of those scenarios..I hope you don't mind if i share this on facebook. I feel like more people should be aware of the insane amount of responsibility it is to breed your dog..
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Thu Feb 21, 2013 2:08 am

All very good information- though what about the need for health testing your potential breeding dog and ensuring the chosen mate of your dog also has verified health testing (OFA/CERF/PennHip etc)? What about ensuring the dogs are to standard and/or bred to function of the breed? I'd put these as more of a priority than the countless what if scenarios. If your dog has major structural flaws, juvenile cataracts or corneal dystrophy, hip displaysia, or a seizure disorder they are not breeding candidates.

We all know that BYBs all over the country successfully pair their BYB purebreds and have countless litters without a single one of these scenarios ever coming up. When it does they are not prepared, and never even knew these possibilities even existed. Though not many in my experience are willing to listen.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:27 pm

Very interesting article, there is truly a lot to think about if you are going to breed!
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:19 am

@Koda wrote:
ATTENTION ALL NOVICE POTENTIAL BREEDERS!!!!!

SO YOU WANT TO BE A BREEDER?
- Breeding the female

So you want to breed your female. You know what to expect if everything goes right. Your little girl will present you with tiny bundles of joy. She will lovingly nurse them and care for them until they are old enough to be weaned.

You and your family will find great joy in watching and playing with these little dolls, and then when the time is right they will all (or maybe you keep just one) go off to special homes to live out their lives as cherished companions. But have you given consideration to what if something goeswrong? I have listed here a few of the problems that I myself have personal knowledge of. Everything listed has happened either to me or someone I know. These are not isolated incidents. I'm sure other breeders could add miles to my list. Learn by others mistakes!. Let the breeding up to those who know what they are doing, have the experience, know what to expect.

WHAT IF DURING THE BREEDING


  1. The stud dog you have chosen is carrying a venereal disease and gives it to your female. She not only doesn't conceive but you have to pay the vet bills to get her infection cleared up and she is now sterile.
  2. The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.
  3. Your modest girl decides she doesn't want the attentions of this gigolo mutt chosen for her without her consent. She snaps at him catching her tooth on his loose cheek and rips it open sending blood flying everywhere. He retaliates by sinking his teeth into her left eye.
  4. You leave your dog with the stud owner because the breeding is not going very swiftly. In fact , it's been three hours and nothing is happening. The stud owners leave the two dogs alone in the back yard. The dogs get out through a tiny hole in the fence and a truck hits your female.
  5. You pay the $250-$1000 stud fee up front figuring you will make that and more back when the pups sell. The breeder guarantees the stud service to work or you can come back again. After 2 months you discover it didn't work and now must wait another 4 months to try again. Of course it doesn't work again, so in another 4 months you take your dog to another male and risk loosing another stud fee.
  6. You get her bred. Bring her home. She bothers you so you let her out she is still in heat and still receptive to males. You hear a commotion outside there is your girl tied up with the neighborhood mutt. when she whelps there will need to be DNA tests done on the pups.
  7. You get her bred. Bring her home and let her out. (She is still in heat and receptive to other males) but you do not see the neighborhood mutt breed her. The pups are born but look odd. You call the stud owner he suggests DNA testing (At your expense). You have a litter of mutts! What do you do about the ones you have already sold?
  8. Or knowing she tied with the neighborhood mutt you decide to terminate the pregnancy and try again being more careful next time. But a few weeks later your female is very sick because you had her given a miss-mate shot creating a hormonal imbalance causing a uterine infection and now she has Pyometra and needs a complete hysterectomy. All plans of getting a litter is gone and your female's life is now in danger if she does not have the operation.

WHAT IF DURING THE BIRTH

  1. The puppies are too large for the female. She never goes into labor, the puppies die and she becomes infected by the decaying bodies.
  2. The puppies are coming breech and they drown in their own sacks before they can be born.
  3. The first puppy is large and breech. When it starts coming your female starts screaming, and before you can stop her she reaches around, grabs the puppy in her teeth and yanks it out killing it instantly.
  4. A puppy gets stuck. Neither your female nor you can get it out. You have to race her to the vet. The vet can't get it out either. She has to have an emergency caesarian section of course it is 3:00 am Christmas day.
  5. A puppy is coming out breech and dry (the water sack that protects them has burst). It gets stuck. Mom tries to help it out by clamping her teeth over one of the back legs. The head and shoulders are firmly caught. Mom pulls on the leg, hard, peeling the flesh from the leg and leaving a wiggling stump of bone.
  6. A dead puppy gets stuck in the birth canal, but your female is well into hard labor. She contracts so hard trying to give birth that her uterus ruptures and she bleeds to death on the way to the vet.

WHAT IF DIRECTLY AFTER THE BIRTH

  1. The mother has no idea what to do with a puppy and she drops them out and walks away, leaving them in the sack to drown.
  2. The mother takes one look at the puppies, decides they are disgusting droppings and tries to smother them in anything she can find to bury them in.
  3. The mother gets too enthusiastic in her removal of the placenta and umbilical cord, and rips the cord out leaving a gushing hole pulsing blood all over you as you try in vain to stop the bleeding.
  4. Or, she pulls on the cords so hard she disembowels the puppies as they are born and you have a box full of tiny, kicking babies with a tangle of guts the size of a walnut hanging from their stomachs. Of course all the babies must be put to sleep.
  5. What if because of some Hormone deficiency she turns vicious allowing no one near her or the babies, who she refuses to nurse, or you have to interfere with.
  6. You notice something protruding from her vagina when you let her out to pee. You take her to the vet to discover a prolapsed uterus, which needs to be removed.

WHAT IF WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE IN THE CLEAR


  1. One or more of the puppies inhaled fluid during birth, pneumonia develops and death occurs within 36 hours.
  2. What if the mother's milk goes bad. You lose three of your four puppies before you discover what is wrong. You end up bottle feeding the remaining pup every two hours, day and night. After three days the puppy fades from infection and dies.
  3. The puppies develop fading puppy syndrome you lose two. You bottle-feeding or tube feeding the last remaining baby. It begins to choke and despite your efforts to clear the airway, the pup stiffens and dies in your hands.
  4. Your female develops mastitis and her breast ruptures.
  5. Your female develops a uterine infection from a retained placenta. Her temperature soars to 105. You race her to the vet, he determines she must be spayed. He does the spay in an attempt to save her life, you pay the hundreds of dollars bill. The infection has gone into her blood stream. The infected milk kills all the puppies and the bitch succumbs a day later.
  6. All the puppies are fine but following the birth the female develops a hormone imbalance. She becomes a fear biter and anytime anyone tries to touch her she viciously attacks them.
  7. Mom and pups seem fine, the puppies are four weeks old and are at their cutest. However, one day one of the puppies disappears. You search everywhere but you can't find it. A few days later another puppy is gone. And another. You can't figure how on earth the puppies are getting out of their safe 4' x 4' puppy pen. Finally there is only one puppy left. The next morning you find the mother chomping contentedly on what is left of the last murdered puppy.

WHAT IF THE NEW HOMES AREN'T SO HAPPY

  1. You give a puppy to a friend. Their fence blows down so they tie the puppy outside while they go to work. A roving dog comes along and kills the puppy. Your friend calls you up to tell you about the poor little puppy and asks when you are having more puppies.
  2. You sell a puppy to an acquaintance. The next time you see them you ask how the puppy is doing. They tell you that it soiled their new carpet so they took it to the pound
  3. You sell a puppy to a friend (you give them a good price and payments). They make a couple of tiny payments. Six months later they move to an apartment. They ask you to take it back. You take it back and of course the payments stop. The dog they returned is so shy, and ill mannered from lack of socialization and training it takes you a year of work providing socializing and training to be able to give it away.
  4. You sell a puppy to a wonderful home. They love her like one of the family. At a vet check done by their vet it is determined that the puppy has a heart murmur. (Your vet found nothing when he checked the puppy before it was sold.) They love their puppy and want the best for her. They have an expensive surgery done. The puppy is fine. They sue you for the medical costs. They win, because you did not have a contract stipulating conditions of guarantee and so as breeder you are responsible for the puppy's genetic health.
  5. You give a puppy to your mother. She is thrilled. Two years later the puppy starts developing problems. It begins to develop odd symptoms and is suffering. Hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of tests later it is finally discovered that the dog is suffering from a terminal condition that was inherited. possibly from your female since you know nothing about her family lines.
  6. One loving home decides your puppy is untrainable, destructive and wants to return the pup and get a full refund, which you have spent on your vet bills.
  7. One loving couple calls you and is very upset because their pup has crippling hip dysplasia and want to know what you are going to do about it. You have spayed your female so a replacement is out of the question, looks like another refund.

THE SALE

  1. You put your ad in the local paper for your pups at the usual price and get only 2 responses and no sales. You cut the pup's price in half and broaden your advertising to 3 other newspapers in which the advertising totals $120.00 a week.
  2. You get a few more puppy inquiries from people who ask all about health testing you did before breeding and if the pups are registered. You tell them your dogs are healthy and it was enough and that you could get the papers. The callers politely thank you and hang up.
  3. The pups are now 4 months old and getting bigger , eating alot and their barking is really beginning to annoy the neighbors who call the police who inform you of the $150.00 noise by-law.
  4. Your neighbors also call the humane society who comes out to inspect the care of your dogs. You pass inspection but end up feeling stressed and harassed.
  5. You finally decide to give the rest of the litter away but still have to pay the $1200.00 advertising bill and the $600.00 vet bill.

So you gotta ask yourself: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, "breeder?"

-Laura Turner, author
(Reposted from woodhavenlabs.com)


I'm not impressed with this thread,,
I think those are just too exaggerated ideas.
All of us want to see puppies of our own and instead of scaring us why don't you use your brainstorming by giving useful advises?
even how scary they sound still that will not hinder anyone from breeding. we cannot stop them, and why don't we help them for their husky's sake?
you just said we leave it to those who know what to do and those with experience?? well let me ask.. were they born with those knowledge? of course they learn through experience.

better make your thread like this:

Problem: The stud dog you decided to breed your darling to is not experienced. Once the two dogs are joined tightly in a tie, he decides to chase the neighbors cat out of his yard. He bolts for the cat ripping his penis loose and causing your bitch to hemorrhage from within.

What to do: Hold the DAM and SIRE while on a lock to avoid any un necessary movements.

?? see??? its sounds great!


:::++ you know why I visited your thread? its because I have a female just finished stud session and I'm researching ways to better take care of her even I already experienced breeding with my Maltese. But when I read the content of this? I just said to my self... what a nonsense thread,, no use at all.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:35 am

Except if you read the post (as it was copied from a breeders website) - they aren't ideas. They are actual things that the breeder that wrote this experienced or people she personally knew experienced.

The number of breeders on this site is very minimal (if any? I'm not sure). The copied list of things that could go wrong serves to remind people that think about breeding that it is not puppies and rainbows and unicorns and that things can, will and do go wrong.

If anyone can read that post and genuinely say "I can deal with this rationally if it should ever happen" they should then seek out a long time breeder within their chosen breed and mentor under them to learn the ins and outs of breeding.

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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:02 am

You are incorrect, not all of us want to see puppies of our own...some of us actually have enough respect for the breed to understand not every dog is a good representative of the breed and should not be bred. Being a breeder, well at least a responsible one, entails much more than having an intact bitch and access to an intact male. Do you have a through understanding of the breed history and standard? Do you do anything with your dog to prove functionality or quality? Have you had all the proper health clearances (OFA/CERF/burcelosis) performed prior to breeding? Do you understand all the risk and responsibility as a breeder there is? If you answered no to any of these questions, then you had no business breeding.
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PostSubject: Re: So you want to BE a breeder?   Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:50 am

@abuanw wrote:
I'm not impressed with this thread,,
I think those are just too exaggerated ideas.
All of us want to see puppies of our own and instead of scaring us why don't you use your brainstorming by giving useful advises?
That's where you are wrong. They are not exaggerated ideas and all of us do NOT want to see puppies of our own. That is the exact reason this thread was posted, because I (and many others) do not believe that people who just want to see puppies of their own have any business breeding. There are too many Siberians euthanized in shelters because there aren't enough homes for me to feel justified breeding. LET ALONE the plethora of things that can go wrong that I am not equipped to deal with.

@abuanw wrote:
...its because I have a female just finished stud session and I'm researching ways to better take care of her even I already experienced breeding with my Maltese. But when I read the content of this? I just said to my self... what a nonsense thread,, no use at all.
I'm sorry, but just because you have bred a dog before does not mean that you are an experienced breeder. You were lucky. I would never buy or adopt a puppy from someone who just had a litter to see their dogs have puppies. I wouldn't support breeding that I feel to be irresponsible.

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