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moto1087
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PostSubject: Re: Vengeful Peeing   Vengeful Peeing - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 25, 2013 1:39 pm

@xredrainx wrote:
Try having your gf stay somewhere else and see if the pup does not pee in your room?
IF she doesn't pee, BAM solution!

LOL, just messing with ya.

Anyhow from what I can gather here sounds really nice home with calm and relaxed regime.  At 9.5 weeks the puppy has access to most of the house and the trouble area is the bedroom.  Your puppy has a grasp of peeing outside but enjoys the finer things in life like peeing near or on your gf's stuff.  You are raising a kid who is a different species from you,  you will not be finding out the reason behind her peeing "on purpose", all you can do is correct it through constant, persistent, training.  

Now look at a kid, do you let them have the same freedoms we enjoy as adults right off the bat because they can talk and walk?  Hell No!  They are earned.  This should be the same mentality for your pup.  Just because she can pee outside does not make her an adult dog that can roam your house unsupervised and responsibly without peeing on the gf's stuff.

You need to start with a small area and as she becomes better and better with her potty training then she unlocks further boundaries because she then understands that she has to prove that she is able to maintain the status quo you have set in a smaller environment to gain more ground.  If she does not then she stays where she is till she get's it.  You bend the rules or falter a little and she will see she can push a little more and more and more till it becomes a lot.  She isn't doing this out of spite it's a liberty you have forfeited so why not take it.  Second tether her, can't keep your eye on her all the time then this technique is your best friend.  Keep working the fundamentals till she gets it,  it will take some time but they all get there with strict and proper training.

A little bit on the failure part.  You have failed and you must embrace that fact.  Understand failure is not a big bad thing everyone makes it out to be.  It does not make us bad, dumb, weak or a lesser person it gives us opportunity.   Opportunity to improve and become better, smarter, stronger or more.  You cannot attain that till you understand that fact though.  Every single person on this forum has failed at one time or another.  Guess what bud I failed to, my dog pooped on the floor at 10 weeks behind my couch and I did not find it till 4 hrs later.  Stained the floor lol.  You laugh, cry, shout and then learn about how to avoid the mistakes or accidents then move on.

Hang in there it get's worse then better then bad again then really good then it's like ahhhh yeah.

If only it was as easy as getting rid of her (the gf that is) lol...jk

I dont believe in the word failure, because you can never fail at something until you give up. before that it is just a mistake that you gives you an opportunity to learn something.

We do limit the puppys roaming area, she has the animal bedroom ( 2 dogs and a cats bedroom) the main living room, the kitching and dinning room, which isnt as much as it sounds, shes not aloud down stairs unless she is with some one and its kind of a when your being good area(she loves it because its a basement so its a little colder, plus more open) we have cut out our room and do not allow her in there at the moment(even if were in there) but we will work on allowing her in after we get this potty thing under control.

I do believe in dominance and alpha and all that. but that comes from my previous dogs (wolf husky mix, German Shepard, mastiff) and how they acted along with the time i spent helping my mom in the pet store.

as you said "You bend the rules or falter a little and she will see she can push a little more and more and more till it becomes a lot." this is why i believed that she may be showing the dominance over the gf, the dog sees that she can get a way with more things with her and i believe it has something to do with it. she doesnt do this with me, but she also has a decent understanding that she is not going to get away with certain things wit me (still working on many)

And dominance may not be the best word to use, but it seems to describe to a point what it looks like whether that is her intentions, so i dont mean to throw that word around so much...
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PostSubject: Re: Vengeful Peeing   Vengeful Peeing - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 25, 2013 1:53 pm

@moto1087 wrote:


We do not clean it in front of her because we dont want to give the impression of we'll clean up your mess.


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I understand that you want to know the "reason" she is doing this. I get it. But I also really think you are anthropomorphizing the situation wayyyy too much. You are over thinking it and just stressing out over something that you are probably mis-reading. Yes, we like think that our dogs give us "looks". We are all guilty of it. But they are not humans. There are not always reasons for everything they do.

I think you've gotten some really good advice from Val and Jen and others and you just need to stay consistent on the potty training and being diligent about eliminating the opportunity for 'accidents'.

Ps. I also agree with Jen's belief about the dominance thing be hooey, but that's just my personal view!
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PostSubject: Re: Vengeful Peeing   Vengeful Peeing - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 25, 2013 2:05 pm

The cleaning the up after them is something ive heard a lot and have always done it that way since i was young so it just stuck with me.

and yea i am putting human emotions to her, cause its about the only way i can describe the face lol... you describe a puppys face when they are doing something and try not too..haha

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PostSubject: Re: Vengeful Peeing   Vengeful Peeing - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 25, 2013 2:11 pm

@moto1087 wrote:
The cleaning the up after them is something ive heard a lot and have always done it that way since i was young so it just stuck with me.

and yea i am putting human emotions to her, cause its about the only way i can describe the face lol... you describe a puppys face when they are doing something and try not too..haha


I know that is what you are using to describe it, but what I'm saying is that 'look' doesn't necessarily mean anything at all and therefore isn't relevant to the description.
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PostSubject: Re: Vengeful Peeing   Vengeful Peeing - Page 2 EmptyThu Jul 25, 2013 2:15 pm

idk, i would like to think that when a look happens while they are doing something and they use that look for other similar things, that its more then just a coincident, and that the look actually has a meaning behind it, animals speak through body language and the "looks" are nothing more then that.
with that said i know not all looks have a meaning
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