What is a mastweiler?

khollon wrote:

What is a mastweiler?

I'm going to jump in and assume it's a MastiffXRottweiler.

Oh . It's literally and mastiff and a rott. Lol gotcha

Yeah I googled it :/ ha I feel a little dumb. I didn''t see that section on her page I guess .

khollon wrote:

Yeah I googled it :/ ha I feel a little dumb. I didn''t see that section on her page I guess .

Truthfully - I didn't see it either. xD I was looking for some pretty specific stuff when I went to her site the first time. Maybe I'll go find this "Mastweiler" and look at it.

Just an fyi - here is the site the Snohomish kennel links to for Mastweilers:

http://mastweiler.muslovedogs.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=43&Itemid=58

Yet again, a priority for aesthetics.

Yeah, I'm almost hoping that everybody on here read her website wrong, and that she is actually breeding for something better... =\

The assessments of the site seem pretty spot on, and certainly not emotionally charged as was accused. A spade is a spade no matter how rude or hurtful it is to acknowledge it.

So, not only did Snohomish have 3 litters of Siberian Huskies in fall/winter 2012 plus 1 litter in January of this year, the woman who owns Snohomish also had 2 known (I say known because that's what I see on the site) "Mastweiler" litters in Fall 2012 (alongside of the Siberian litters?) and just had three other "Mastweiler" litters on the ground (they are slated to go home this month).

So, we'll say in 9 months (just because puppies are going home this month) Snohomish and this Mastweiler kennel (I don't see a name for it?) have produced 9 litters. The Mastweiler litters alone total 18 puppies and the four Siberian litters total 15.

I have a question for Snohomish - to have so many puppies on the ground at once and in such a short amount of time - do you not have a regular job? How do you pay for all of these dogs and puppies or are you making a profit off of your dogs?

Sounds to me their 'job' is to be a commercial breeder- My question is how do you ensure proper socialization of all of these puppies?

This thread has gotten very unfriendly and catty. Before stones should be thrown, how about visiting this kennel that you all are so actively witch hunting. Last I checked, there were no rules that states the breeding police have to ok each and every union. Just because you do not agree with what other breeders do, doesn't make it wrong. Snohomish has a very nice kennel and breeds some beautiful dogs. Unless you have seen these dogs in person and physically put you hands on them, you should keep your hurtful remarks to yourselves. This thread is unfairly attacking her. She loves her dogs and they are her life, blood, sweat and tears and is the most professional dog breeder I have ever met. You will not find her slandering others to make herself look better. She does not have to justify anything to anyone.

Those of us who have replied to this thread have not done so to be mean, we have done so to educate people. No one is being catty, we are just reporting what we see to new members who are actively seeking advice on how to find the best breeder possible. Someone who knowingly breeds faults, breeds for a certain look, and does not do hip (and/or other medical testing) is not an ethical breeder. End of story.

Jillybeanz wrote:

This thread has gotten very unfriendly and catty. Before stones should be thrown, how about visiting this kennel that you all are so actively witch hunting. Last I checked, there were no rules that states the breeding police have to ok each and every union. Just because you do not agree with what other breeders do, doesn't make it wrong. Snohomish has a very nice kennel and breeds some beautiful dogs. Unless you have seen these dogs in person and physically put you hands on them, you should keep your hurtful remarks to yourselves. This thread is unfairly attacking her. She loves her dogs and they are her life, blood, sweat and tears and is the most professional dog breeder I have ever met. You will not find her slandering others to make herself look better. She does not have to justify anything to anyone.

I don't think breeding beautiful dogs and loving them has come under scrutiny at all, nor does this negate the objections raised against this breeder. If anything, it is the prioritization on the chosen version of "beautiful" that in fact adds to the arguments against this breeder.

There are a certain set of principles and technical merit attributed to what is considered responsible, ethical breeding and if you subscribe to these, then yes, this does qualify you to raise objections and question breeders.

The proof, given these principles and merit and given what is openly stated on the website and contributed by the breeder her/his self, speaks for itself.

I haven't seen anything catty or unfriendly here - I have seen people sticking to their beliefs. The main goal for many of us is to see Siberians progress as a breed, not t watch them be bred for eye color and coat colors. I am sorry if you feel this is wrong, but I am not ashamed to say that I expect a lot from a breeder, because I have a dog who is a product of bad breeding and I know what happens when dogs go untested for disease.

I don't feel I need to apologize for having high standards, and I don't think anyone else here should have to either.

Ok, it's not often I post on threads like these but I actually know the owner of Snohomish kennel personally so I am taking this personally. She breeds for conformation, you will see many snohomish dogs in the ring. She always advises her potential owners as to the traits of the breed.
Her dogs are stunning, one of my dogs had snohomish lines which is how I met her and she was more than helpful in advising me on any questions that I had.
Hipdysplasia is hereditary with some environmental factors. It is not very common in huskies. Now if it were malamutes it would be a different matter.
Just because someone doesn't want to show their dogs doesn't mean they shouldn't breed. I know for one that she breeds these dogs with the upmost love, affection and puts ALL her time and effort into their wellbeing well before her own.
I do not like it when people all jump on the band wagon, can we please get our own opinion? The OP asked for advice on finding a good breeder so here is my opinion.

The breeder will advise you as to the health of their dogs. Will give you a guarantee that the pups will be healthy, will give you as much support as you need for the rest of the dogs life and also will take the pup back if you can no longer keep it.
They know their stuff and can tell you all about their breed.

As for the mastwilers, are you going to slander Northern Inuits too? They were made up from multiple breeds and I know that she only uses the best lines with health in mind. I can think of many other breeders who don't bother and just stick whatever together, Snohomish huskies is not one of those people, honestly you've well and truly put me off this forum with your bad attitudes and this is also why I don't show my dogs. Simply because the show world is freaking awful with bullies galore.

I don't need to visit a kennel that is breaching the SHCA's breeders code of ethics. Breeding aesthetics is not a reason to be breeding. Breeding WOOLIES is unethical. Charging more for certain 'looks' coat types and color is unethical. Breeding without verifying your dogs are free of ALL hereditary diseases that are prone to the breed is irresponsible and unethical breeding. Sorry but hip dysplasia is still an issue with this breed and will continue to be so when there are breeders that refuse to test. Hip dysplasia is hereditary, test for it. Simple. The number of litters produced in such a short period of time- questionable. Not bothering to prove your dogs in any other venue than in the whelping box- unethical. I see that some of the breeding stock is breeding or planning to be bred before the age of two- again that is unethical based on the fact that hips can't be certified before 2.

You can be naive to breeder ethics, but that does not mean anyone has been mean, catty, or anything else. How else are people to learn what to look for in a breeder if no one ever points out the red flags on breeders-

Jillybeanz wrote:

This thread has gotten very unfriendly and catty. Before stones should be thrown, how about visiting this kennel that you all are so actively witch hunting. Last I checked, there were no rules that states the breeding police have to ok each and every union. Just because you do not agree with what other breeders do, doesn't make it wrong. Snohomish has a very nice kennel and breeds some beautiful dogs. Unless you have seen these dogs in person and physically put you hands on them, you should keep your hurtful remarks to yourselves. This thread is unfairly attacking her. She loves her dogs and they are her life, blood, sweat and tears and is the most professional dog breeder I have ever met. You will not find her slandering others to make herself look better. She does not have to justify anything to anyone.

This thread hasn't gotten catty. The only reason for it to come off that way, is if you're going to take it personal, AND READ it that way. Everybody knows it's hard to convey feelings across the internet, so please, if you can, re-read everything that was said without trying to make it personal, and it will come off in a different light.

People are posting their opinions and beliefs on this topic to educate other people (I was one of those people once upon a time), and we can only go by what we know. I'm so sorry I don't know this person personally, but if there are any important practices to her breeding, you really would think it would be listed on her website. Nobody is saying she's a horrible person that will die in the rotting depths of hell. She can be the nicest person in the world. She could be a Nobel Peace Prize winner - it would not make a LICK of difference when, at the end of the day, she is PURPOSELY breeding dogs that have faults, overlooking the hip thing, and just breeding for a certain look.

In reality, though, if there's nothing that she's hiding and she's doing everything in a TRUE ETHICAL manner, I would really prefer it if she responds herself. There's no point in anything having to get heated if the source isn't responding herself. Just my

Not bothering is possibly a bad term, show politics are cut throat, not everyone wants to deal with psychotic people that will poison your dogs to win. I actually care about my dogs and don't want them dead. Sure she will respond when she is not working with her dogs.

Lyrril wrote:

Not bothering is possibly a bad term, show politics are cut throat, not everyone wants to deal with psychotic people that will poison your dogs to win. I actually care about my dogs and don't want them dead. Sure she will respond when she is not working with her dogs.

Then how do you know your dogs have what it takes to help the breed? You could end up with disfigured dogs in the long, long haul - something that could have been staved off by putting your human emotions aside, and ensuring any pair you breed has proven themselves in the ring or through the sled. If somebody could possibly poison your dogs, just don't go to the shows they go to, or keep a very, very close eye on your dog. If you have too many dogs to keep a close eye on, then... you just might have too many dogs....

There are some amazing dogs out there that have not been shown that would do an awesome job in the ring. If you know what your looking at. You don't have to confirm it to everyone if you know what your doing... I do not have too many dogs though, I only have 2. I don't want anything happening to them because some freak wants to poison them. I actually value their life over anything else and thats all thats important to me. Anything else comes later. My husky is spayed.. my malamute is and has been commented as a perfect example, I do not show her we do walk LOTS, she packs etc. But I do not feel the need to put my dogs at risk for anyone. My personal preference is to stay away. I've seen all too well what types of people are at these shows. Some of them are beautiful caring people, but they are tough cookies to deal with the emotional crap that they get. Rescue is the same, tough cookies, very tough cookies. I have many friends in rescue and the things they deal with and see, is unbelievable. But honestly, I don't see anything 'unethical' about breeding for a certain assetics which actually is conformation if you look at the whole picture. Is not the way our dog looks and is built up all part of it's conformation?
Well that is my opinion and everyone else is entitled to their own. But saying someone is unethical is an OPINION it doesn't make yours or mine correct because OPINIONS are personal to everyone.

Lyrril wrote:

She breeds for conformation, you will see many snohomish dogs in the ring. She always advises her potential owners as to the traits of the breed.
Her dogs are stunning, one of my dogs had snohomish lines which is how I met her and she was more than helpful in advising me on any questions that I had.

Just had to re-read. When you say she breeds for conformation, what do you mean? I know the person who started the kennel (Ann) was breeding for conformation - and she probably showed a lot of dogs that did really well, but right now, the kennel has no notes of even the minimum of CH in the immediate bloodline. If she does have CHs in the dam & sires that she has right now, I would love to see them.

Well she's not showing them so they wouldn't would they? But that doesn't mean her dogs don't have good conformation, you just have to look at them to see that clearly. As I stated if you KNOW what you are doing you will know what goes well together to produce the correct conformation. Do you think Ann would have passed her kennel to someone who didn't know what she was doing? I think not..

Given the certain principles and technical merits of breeding, choosing whether or not you value them and/or ignore them does not make them opinion. An opinion is "what is beautiful" or "what tastes best" or "what's the best music." These are not based on facts but preference.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when someone is clearly violating a set standard of ethical practices in breeding, saying so isn't really an opinion but is a fact.

And showing is the accepted method for proving that a dog is within the approved breed standard. I'm not just going to take someone's word for something, I want it backed up with indisputable proof.